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jdsr300

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ball for slow ball speed
« on: February 02, 2013, 08:24:16 AM »
I recently switched to a 14lb Tropical Breeze to help with my slow ball speed. It is out of box finish. I picked up a little speed but am not getting much carry.( I know, 14lb) What ball could I try to get a stronger back end to try to get better carry.

 

JustRico

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Re: ball for slow ball speed
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2013, 03:40:58 PM »
A. pretty sure we weren't talking about you but apparently you need to make it about you
B. if he has slow or lower ball speed and not carrying I would pretty well bet that if he picked his speed up, thus getting the ball farther down the lane. If the ball didn't 'hit' at this point the player could then move right (assuming the bowler is right handed)
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Re: ball for slow ball speed
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2013, 04:07:22 PM »
A. pretty sure we weren't talking about you but apparently you need to make it about you
B. if he has slow or lower ball speed and not carrying I would pretty well bet that if he picked his speed up, thus getting the ball farther down the lane. If the ball didn't 'hit' at this point the player could then move right (assuming the bowler is right handed)
I am using extreme logic

A. I did not say anything about me once. What do I gain from posting here? Why would I make it about me? I am simply trying to help. There's no need to get defensive and attempt insulting me because I am disagreeing with you. Your word should not be taken as gospel, nor should anyone elses.

B. If I am wrong, help steer me in the right direction. You have not answered any of the questions I have posed. Where I am from (NY), the logical answer to a ball not hitting well is a move right (for a righty), opening up your angles, or switching to a stronger ball (with a stronger backend move). Throwing it faster is counterproductive. I don't want to see jdsr300 spend money on something such as a Slingshot only to continue to have the same issue he's having with the Breeze.

Again, I get nothing from posting here or arguing with you. I am only trying to help. We can agree to disagree

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Re: ball for slow ball speed
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2013, 04:18:02 PM »
So if I'm hitting the pocket and leaving plaque or flat 10 pins, I should just throw it slower? With your logic, if I do that it should work, correct? Why should anybody change balls when  they have a bad reaction if ball speed would just make a bigger difference? Does it work the other way? How come when Chris Barnes keeps going through the face, he switches balls instead of just throwing it faster?

This is not about you?
And we are talking about a casual bowler, competing on a typical house condition NOT Chris Barnes on tour....YOU obviously want to either argue or dispute anything or everything I've posted...
It is quite simple actually if a ball is traveling too slow, NOT an average speed matching the rev rate slow, but too slow of a ball speed for rev rate, the bowling ball is obviously losing energy...now there are 2 forms of losing energy, a bowling ball skidding in oil trying to change direction and thus losing energy in the process or a bowling ball traveling too slow losing its rotational integrity thus not hitting, meaning it needs to maintain its rotational integrity longer which generally translates to less surface or more speed...
I do not know how to explain it any better than that
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Re: ball for slow ball speed
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2013, 04:34:16 PM »
So if I'm hitting the pocket and leaving plaque or flat 10 pins, I should just throw it slower? With your logic, if I do that it should work, correct? Why should anybody change balls when  they have a bad reaction if ball speed would just make a bigger difference? Does it work the other way? How come when Chris Barnes keeps going through the face, he switches balls instead of just throwing it faster?

This is not about you?
And we are talking about a casual bowler, competing on a typical house condition NOT Chris Barnes on tour....YOU obviously want to either argue or dispute anything or everything I've posted...
It is quite simple actually if a ball is traveling too slow, NOT an average speed matching the rev rate slow, but too slow of a ball speed for rev rate, the bowling ball is obviously losing energy...now there are 2 forms of losing energy, a bowling ball skidding in oil trying to change direction and thus losing energy in the process or a bowling ball traveling too slow losing its rotational integrity thus not hitting, meaning it needs to maintain its rotational integrity longer which generally translates to less surface or more speed...
I do not know how to explain it any better than that

When I said "I", it was in reference to anybody, not me specifically. I am not trying to argue or dispute everything you say. I understand the difference between the 2 forms of losing energy and you explained that very well. My main issue was, how can you tell from the information he has given that his ball is NOT skidding in oil? Wouldn't you agree that hitting too much oil is a more common ailment to a casual league bowler than throwing the ball too slow is? We don't know which scenario Jdsr300 is dealing with and therefor can't assume on or the other, and we can't assume its one just from the words "slow ball speed." Do you understand the issue I am having with your advice?

If he is experiencing loss of energy from losing its rotational integrity than you are right he needs to increase his speed, but that is easier said than done. A ball such as a Slingshot will not be different enough from a Breeze to mask the difference, and therefor he would need a stronger ball than that regardless.

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Re: ball for slow ball speed
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2013, 04:40:56 PM »
The average house condition is either on higher friction surface or a lack of oil on the lane...AGAIN I am basing this off the fact that the above average bowler has more issues with a bowling ball retaining energy than it skidding too much basically cause he posted he has lower than average ball speed...
Now you can post what you want but I believe I have explained my position to uber level you can either understand it and that suffices or you can go on disputing or trying to change my explanations...I think I've done a pretty damn good job of explaining my position
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Re: ball for slow ball speed
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2013, 04:50:41 PM »
OK, I should have given some more details. Due to injury I have only been able to throw 11mph with a 15lb Burst. I decided to try 14lb to pick up some speed and now am in the 12.5-13mph range. Several people suggested the Breeze ( Konica blue pearl cover) The burst hit hard even at slow speed but had a lot of over reaction if I missed out. I used to be slow before injury also. 14.5-15mph. Was averaging 209 on a house shot before the injury and am down to 184. The resurgence weight block has always worked well for me. Is there something similar that I could get in 14lb that may increase my carry?

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Re: ball for slow ball speed
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2013, 04:58:25 PM »
OK, I should have given some more details. Due to injury I have only been able to throw 11mph with a 15lb Burst. I decided to try 14lb to pick up some speed and now am in the 12.5-13mph range. Several people suggested the Breeze ( Konica blue pearl cover) The burst hit hard even at slow speed but had a lot of over reaction if I missed out. I used to be slow before injury also. 14.5-15mph. Was averaging 209 on a house shot before the injury and am down to 184. The resurgence weight block has always worked well for me. Is there something similar that I could get in 14lb that may increase my carry?

The Eruption has the Resurgence core in it with a more skid/flippy coverstock than the Burst. I have seen nothing but good things from that ball. The Violent Eruption claims to have an even more aggressive cover, so the regular Eruption would probably be a better fit for slower ball speeds.