If someone was to use a Urethane or Plastic Ball in League for some games and other games choose to use Reactive. By USBC Rules.....is this Sandbagging?

This is exactly what I was getting at in the other thread. It all comes down to intent. If doing anything to get a lower average in order to gain somewhere else (handicap tournament), then it is clearly sandbagging.

I have no problem with people throwing urethane and/or plastic if that's also what they use at these tournaments. Or if they have another league where they establish a truer average throwing resin. Challenging yourself is one thing, but to then go with the easier route in order to cash down the line - using that lower average, that is downright sandbagging and wrong.

Personally, I do not even complain about these people. I still go out and bowl, knowing full well that odds are against me. Same with bowling scratch events against better bowlers. I like the challenge. For me, bowling is not about making money. At the same time, if brought up in discussion, I'm only going to tell it like it is.

Sandbagging is all about intent. Unfortunately, this intent is often hard to prove.

Quote from: JazlarVonSteich on January 18, 2017, 01:13:48 PM

This is exactly what I was getting at in the other thread. It all comes down to intent. If doing anything to get a lower average in order to gain somewhere else (handicap tournament), then it is clearly sandbagging.

I have no problem with people throwing urethane and/or plastic if that's also what they use at these tournaments. Or if they have another league where they establish a truer average throwing resin. Challenging yourself is one thing, but to then go with the easier route in order to cash down the line - using that lower average, that is downright sandbagging and wrong.

Personally, I do not even complain about these people. I still go out and bowl, knowing full well that odds are against me. Same with bowling scratch events against better bowlers. I like the challenge. For me, bowling is not about making money. At the same time, if brought up in discussion, I'm only going to tell it like it is.

Sandbagging is all about intent. Unfortunately, this intent is often hard to prove.

What about a person that throws urethane or plastic in league because the bowler finds there best look with urethane or plastic vs a reactive ball. Then goes to tournaments and uses reactive?

Quote from: mainzer on January 18, 2017, 08:31:41 PM

Quote from: JazlarVonSteich on January 18, 2017, 01:13:48 PM

This is exactly what I was getting at in the other thread. It all comes down to intent. If doing anything to get a lower average in order to gain somewhere else (handicap tournament), then it is clearly sandbagging.

I have no problem with people throwing urethane and/or plastic if that's also what they use at these tournaments. Or if they have another league where they establish a truer average throwing resin. Challenging yourself is one thing, but to then go with the easier route in order to cash down the line - using that lower average, that is downright sandbagging and wrong.

Personally, I do not even complain about these people. I still go out and bowl, knowing full well that odds are against me. Same with bowling scratch events against better bowlers. I like the challenge. For me, bowling is not about making money. At the same time, if brought up in discussion, I'm only going to tell it like it is.

Sandbagging is all about intent. Unfortunately, this intent is often hard to prove.

What about a person that throws urethane or plastic in league because the bowler finds there best look with urethane or plastic vs a reactive ball. Then goes to tournaments and uses reactive?

Clearly not sandbagging. Do you even know what sandbagging is? It doesn't seem so. If plastic/urethane gives you the best look, use it.

I would find that rare and completely odd though, especially if bowling the same house, using the same THS for league and tournaments. House shot vs sport shot, sure. Different houses, sure. A little suspect with the same house and same shot. Then again, it could come down to 10 on a pair during 5 man vs 3-4 on a pair during tournament.