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Burnt up Lanes
« on: August 22, 2017, 06:41:37 PM »
I'm looking for a nice unaggressive piece for the burn.  Is Urethane a good choice for the 3rd game or late tournament block?  Would it start too early?  If so, what would be a good choice for the 3rd league game when everything is running?  I guess I need a true dry lane ball as opposed to a skid/flip ball.  Thinking about the Cherry Vibe, BTU Pearl, or Hustle SAY.  Any other suggestions?  I'm not looking for any super long and super angular on the back.  That normally gets me in the ugly split territory in the 3rd game.  Rant over.  Any suggestions would be appreciated. 

 

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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2017, 05:28:53 PM »
For me and not the OP that posted this,
it's for flying back ends. When I reach my max at the 18 board shooting to about 10.
The oil line is fried between 10 and 16. Maybe spotty or I get too fast at 18.
When drinking, I drift a little more right so 18 is my limit.

With the Octane Carbon, I keep leaving a pin, like the 9 or 10 for a 180 best 1/2 way through. I did take the surface up to 2K last weekend in case I try it again. I just need to be a little better than the competition. Had a 162 G3 last week, finally missed a 10 pin after so many of them.

I'm not a strict Motiv Fan and open to others, but almost pulled the trigger on a Tank Rampage minutes ago. Friends say a Hot Cell, but not sure if I want to get a giant core rolling plus production was pushed back. I'm use to that gear core, revs up quick for me and gives a predictable path.




Get further left into the oil. If 16-10 is fried, use that as a bumper. There is no set of magic balls to keep you from having to move

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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2017, 06:24:41 PM »
If you're going to start off left, are you going to wait for the shot to come to you? Also, if they're fried, why use something like a Carbon that goes sideways?

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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2017, 07:04:41 PM »
Can't really improve on Impending Doom's statement. Also would recommend the Tropical Storm (former Tropical Breeze).

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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2017, 02:39:17 PM »
I get it now after a day of soaking in Impending Doom's clear thoughts on Urethane.

I could have lots of fun using a new Urethane from the start this Friday night since its a 2nd coat of oil and take advantage of the cover stock longer on flying back ends.
 
Thanks all for the input!. Got it now.
There we go. Use urethane to start, push some oil down the lane, then move in and use the carrydown as hold for your resin equipment. Or just stay with urethane all night.

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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2017, 03:49:54 PM »
With my Crow I can start the night on house shot and stay with it having to move very little (especially if keep oil off the ball).  At least with my style what I like and dislike about urethane is there is usually no surprises.  I have a very good idea of how many pins I am going to get by the time the ball hits the arrows.   I tend to be more consistent with urethane but getting much over 200 is a real struggle with my style.  You get even a five bagger with urethane man you are sniping it (at least for me with my moderate revs).  I don't luck into those with urethane but I get into a zone with a perfectly matched up reactive and its like throwing into the ocean.
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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2017, 03:56:29 PM »
I hate shooting at weak 10's and buckets so I'd recommend a low-mid end reactive with a non flippy layout and remove the polish.  A BTU Pearl or Rhino should do the trick so that you can keep chasing the oil left, yet maintain enough hook and angle to carry the corners.
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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2017, 04:03:13 PM »
I hate shooting at weak 10's and buckets so I'd recommend a low-mid end reactive with a non flippy layout and remove the polish.  A BTU Pearl or Rhino should do the trick so that you can keep chasing the oil left, yet maintain enough hook and angle to carry the corners.

Can second this.  If you are not more comfortable with your spare ball than your first ball might want to avoid urethane assuming not a cranker.  8/ and 9/ for days sometimes.  On some conditions this is great but can suck busting ass to throw a 200 when the scoring pace is 230+.
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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2017, 04:42:31 PM »
If the scoring pace is 230+ and you're using urethane, you've brought a pencil to a gun fight.

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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2017, 12:36:29 AM »
I think the choice of equipment depends on the bowler's style.  I am a low-rev, high speed player and although I have one urethane ball, it never gets any use. I couldn't use urethane If I were bowling in a sandbox.

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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2017, 11:01:24 AM »
To answer the OP,

This is more of a layout, surface, plan of attack issue than just ball itself. Urethane is a hot item however it has its place and it isn't for every dry condition. No Urethane absorbs oil like Resins do, so oil sits on the cover from shot to shot to shot. As you throw it, the read of the ball gets longer. That's not good for Urethane as theyre designed to read the lane early. In a sense, youre taking the back of the lane out of play. The longer that reaction takes the less your ball will have. SO again Urethane has its place, especially if you have an enormous amount of hand or surface on it. However for those of use with less rev rate, I recommend carrying a couple or few of them and keeping the surface fresh if that's the game plan. They can strike a ton but IMO very high maintenance.

I often times recommend a layout change, something to emulate closely the Urethane shape with the oil absorption of the resins. For me my layout is 85x2.5"x45 with either a double thumb hole(if I want it to really stand up early and give up) or a hole on the midline if I want the shape to be more gradual. If I want less flare, I drop the pin to PAP to 1" to create a weaker reaction, same weight hole situation applies. Then I mess with the surface to fine tune. This is a way to throw bigger balls on dryer stuff without sacrificing carry. I have a few balls that have this layout that I love when friction is high or sport patterns where the they are tougher and tighter ratios.

These are only options.
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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2017, 11:32:40 AM »
To answer the OP,

This is more of a layout, surface, plan of attack issue than just ball itself. Urethane is a hot item however it has its place and it isn't for every dry condition. No Urethane absorbs oil like Resins do, so oil sits on the cover from shot to shot to shot. As you throw it, the read of the ball gets longer. That's not good for Urethane as theyre designed to read the lane early. In a sense, youre taking the back of the lane out of play. The longer that reaction takes the less your ball will have. SO again Urethane has its place, especially if you have an enormous amount of hand or surface on it. However for those of use with less rev rate, I recommend carrying a couple or few of them and keeping the surface fresh if that's the game plan. They can strike a ton but IMO very high maintenance.

I often times recommend a layout change, something to emulate closely the Urethane shape with the oil absorption of the resins. For me my layout is 85x2.5"x45 with either a double thumb hole(if I want it to really stand up early and give up) or a hole on the midline if I want the shape to be more gradual. If I want less flare, I drop the pin to PAP to 1" to create a weaker reaction, same weight hole situation applies. Then I mess with the surface to fine tune. This is a way to throw bigger balls on dryer stuff without sacrificing carry. I have a few balls that have this layout that I love when friction is high or sport patterns where the they are tougher and tighter ratios.

These are only options.

I've utilized this several times, but for me, it is hard for me to get right. For ever ball that it worked on ( Money, Predator, TNT), there were balls it didn't work on ( Blue Heat, Grip-It) and I even used similar core shape as the ones that worked! My Booyah is a much better urethane than my Hype was (either of them) and right now, only ball I could see laying the core down like that on would be a Boost with some surface.

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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2017, 05:07:33 PM »
I have carried urethane for over 5 years.  I could honestly brag about places where it has made me money, but just as many times it has boxed me in on the transition, forcing a ball change and a big move. I will try urethane on fresh wet dry house shots, and short flat patterns.

Bottom line a strong pearl from deep is much better option for this low rev senior. 

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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2017, 07:53:21 PM »
I hear ya which is why when I have to score its the same for me with hybrids and pearls for most part.  Urethane is strictly a passion and because not much feels better than stringing some strikes with a Faball in practice.  Feels great to throw a perfect shot and watch it largely ignore the pattern and curve gently butt deep into pins. 
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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2017, 08:37:08 PM »
Can't count the number of times I have come out of the gate with a 250 game only to lose my look with no place to go after the first game using urethane

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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #30 on: August 28, 2017, 03:14:14 PM »
You might get away with urethane for a 3 game set in a house shot, and have better carry than with a resin that you have to play out angle through the heads.  However on flatter patterns carry down sets up quickly and is a urethane killer.