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ldkelleyb5

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Clean game definition
« on: September 04, 2017, 06:33:44 PM »
If you get 1 mark in the 10th, is it considered a clean game?  I'm fairly sure that if you get a spare and change in the 10th, it should be a clean game, but I'm wondering more about a strike, then, say, a 7 count, then a 2.

Just something I've been wondering about for some time, and everyone seems to have a different answer.
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Re: Clean game definition
« Reply #61 on: September 11, 2017, 01:51:41 PM »
Quote from: Steven on September 11, 2017, 01:42:29 PM
Quote from: Good Times Good Times on September 11, 2017, 01:33:20 PM
Quote from: Luke Morningwood on September 11, 2017, 01:24:31 PM
So you walk up to a guy who just shot 299 at Nationals to finish a 30 clean set.  You tell him that the 9 count fill cost him his 30 clean.   REALLY?

To me that's clean as he doesn't have an opportunity to spare up.

 
Exactly. But if you have 2 opportunities to knock all 10 pins down and fail, why would anyone want credit for clean?? That's what doesn't make sense.

^^^^^^^ agree.  I'm only counting as not clean frames where 2 attempts to knock down 10 pins isn't successful.  If I tell myself X81 is clean, EVEN IF BY RULE, I don't feel as if I'm being honest with myself. 
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Re: Clean game definition
« Reply #62 on: September 11, 2017, 01:54:08 PM »
Quote from: spmcgivern on September 11, 2017, 01:04:29 PM
Bowlers can hold themselves to higher standards.  But to insist the USBC perception of a clean game is incorrect and impose a different set of rules is another thing.  It is getting to the point where everyone is so divisive in their perceptions that anything that differs is wrong.

It's not that you're "wrong", I just hold myself to a higher standard than the written rule. 
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Re: Clean game definition
« Reply #63 on: September 12, 2017, 11:00:02 AM »
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It's not that you're "wrong", I just hold myself to a higher standard than the written rule.

As long as you're only using your definition for yourself make it whatever you want.  Define a clean game as 12 strikes, that's fine so long as it's just for you.  --  JohnP
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Re: Clean game definition
« Reply #64 on: September 12, 2017, 11:10:52 AM »
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It's not that you're "wrong", I just hold myself to a higher standard than the written rule.

As long as you're only using your definition for yourself make it whatever you want.  Define a clean game as 12 strikes, that's fine so long as it's just for you.  --  JohnP

And where in that statement did he say anything else?
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Re: Clean game definition
« Reply #65 on: September 12, 2017, 11:21:29 AM »
"This ain't bowling!!"
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Re: Clean game definition
« Reply #66 on: September 12, 2017, 11:36:07 AM »
Quote from: Impending Doom on September 12, 2017, 11:21:29 AM
"This ain't bowling!!"


"back in my day, we walked 12 miles to the bowling alley in a blizzard, without shoes and shot 770 on a very tough shot"
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Re: Clean game definition
« Reply #67 on: September 12, 2017, 11:40:51 AM »
Quote from: northface28 on September 12, 2017, 11:36:07 AM
Quote from: Impending Doom on September 12, 2017, 11:21:29 AM
"This ain't bowling!!"


"back in my day, we walked 12 miles to the bowling alley in a blizzard, without shoes and shot 770 on a very tough shot"
While setting up our own pins and picking the splinters out of our hands from our wooden balls!

AND WE LIKED IT, DAGNABBIT!!
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Re: Clean game definition
« Reply #68 on: September 12, 2017, 12:31:42 PM »
Quote from: spmcgivern on September 11, 2017, 01:04:29 PM

It is getting out of hand.  Bowlers can no longer allow each other to enjoy the game the way they want without being bombarded with condemnation for not following some inane know-it-all telling them they are wrong.

Interesting quote above. We have come to the point in our society that we condemn those that want "higher standards".

What is getting "out of hand" is that people NEVER foul anymore. Oh, no one saw it but the foul light went off and a foot is turned to the side; take the foul of the score board and give the bowler the pin count. Even though, that was the only time the foul light "malfunctioned".




Sorry for the high jack, LOL!

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Re: Clean game definition
« Reply #69 on: September 12, 2017, 12:49:44 PM »
Quote from: JohnP on September 12, 2017, 11:00:02 AM


As long as you're only using your definition for yourself make it whatever you want.  Define a clean game as 12 strikes, that's fine so long as it's just for you.  --  JohnP


The rule book says that Glenn Allison's 900 wasn't legal. If the rule book is so correct, why do so may people believe that he should get credit for it?? Just because it is how a particular rule is written, doesn't make it right or correct. Just sayin
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Re: Clean game definition
« Reply #70 on: September 12, 2017, 01:42:34 PM »
Quote from: tommygn on September 12, 2017, 12:31:42 PM
Quote from: spmcgivern on September 11, 2017, 01:04:29 PM

It is getting out of hand.  Bowlers can no longer allow each other to enjoy the game the way they want without being bombarded with condemnation for not following some inane know-it-all telling them they are wrong.

Interesting quote above. We have come to the point in our society that we condemn those that want "higher standards".

What is getting "out of hand" is that people NEVER foul anymore. Oh, no one saw it but the foul light went off and a foot is turned to the side; take the foul of the score board and give the bowler the pin count. Even though, that was the only time the foul light "malfunctioned".

Sorry for the high jack, LOL!


Wanting higher standards is fine, it is imposing so called higher standards on others who are going by established rules.

Quote from: Steven on September 11, 2017, 01:42:29 PM
Exactly. But if you have 2 opportunities to knock all 10 pins down and fail, why would anyone want credit for clean?? That's what doesn't make sense.

The above quote is indicative of the type of superiority complex in this thread and others.  Who cares if you want to call a clean game more than what the established rule is.  Just don't insinuate those that don't appeal to your way of thinking as not making sense.

To be honest, when I found out the way USBC enforces this "rule", I was surprised.  I too felt you had to have a clean 11th frame to justify a clean game.  However, if someone asks me what the "rule" is, I will tell them X9- in the tenth counts as clean.  They can perceive it any way they want.
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Re: Clean game definition
« Reply #71 on: September 12, 2017, 01:52:27 PM »
Quote from: spmcgivern on September 12, 2017, 01:42:34 PM

Quote from: spmcgivern on September 12, 2017, 01:42:34 PM
Quote from: tommygn on September 12, 2017, 12:31:42 PM
Quote from: spmcgivern on September 11, 2017, 01:04:29 PM

It is getting out of hand.  Bowlers can no longer allow each other to enjoy the game the way they want without being bombarded with condemnation for not following some inane know-it-all telling them they are wrong.

Interesting quote above. We have come to the point in our society that we condemn those that want "higher standards".

What is getting "out of hand" is that people NEVER foul anymore. Oh, no one saw it but the foul light went off and a foot is turned to the side; take the foul of the score board and give the bowler the pin count. Even though, that was the only time the foul light "malfunctioned".

Sorry for the high jack, LOL!


Wanting higher standards is fine, it is imposing so called higher standards on others who are going by established rules.

Quote from: Steven on September 11, 2017, 01:42:29 PM
Exactly. But if you have 2 opportunities to knock all 10 pins down and fail, why would anyone want credit for clean?? That's what doesn't make sense.

The above quote is indicative of the type of superiority complex in this thread and others.  Who cares if you want to call a clean game more than what the established rule is.  Just don't insinuate those that don't appeal to your way of thinking as not making sense.

To be honest, when I found out the way USBC enforces this "rule", I was surprised.  I too felt you had to have a clean 11th frame to justify a clean game.  However, if someone asks me what the "rule" is, I will tell them X9- in the tenth counts as clean.  They can perceive it any way they want.

The above quote is indicative of the type of superiority complex in this thread and others.  Who cares if you want to call a clean game more than what the established rule is.  Just don't insinuate those that don't appeal to your way of thinking as not making sense.

To be honest, when I found out the way USBC enforces this "rule", I was surprised.  I too felt you had to have a clean 11th frame to justify a clean game.  However, if someone asks me what the "rule" is, I will tell them X9- in the tenth counts as clean.  They can perceive it any way they want.

Feeling that given the opportunity to knock ten pins down with two balls, and not doing so and wanting to classify it as an "open", is hardly a "superiority complex". In frames one through nine, that would be classified as an open. Pointing out a glaring flaw in logic is not acting superior, it's just stating facts.

And with that said, where do you stand on Glenn Allisions 900 series? Should it count because the rule is a bad rule; or so sad too bad, those were the rules, so no soup for you?
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Re: Clean game definition
« Reply #72 on: September 12, 2017, 02:22:28 PM »
I think that anyone who eats celery is stupid.  :o
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Re: Clean game definition
« Reply #73 on: September 12, 2017, 02:32:57 PM »
Quote from: milorafferty on September 12, 2017, 02:22:28 PM
I think that anyone who eats celery is stupid.  :o

What about celery with cream cheese or peanut butter on it? You can't deny that's tasty.
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Re: Clean game definition
« Reply #74 on: September 12, 2017, 03:02:14 PM »
Quote from: Impending Doom on September 12, 2017, 02:32:57 PM
Quote from: milorafferty on September 12, 2017, 02:22:28 PM
I think that anyone who eats celery is stupid.  :o

What about celery with cream cheese or peanut butter on it? You can't deny that's tasty.


Oh yes I can.

Here is the math; celery=stupid  8)
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Re: Clean game definition
« Reply #75 on: September 12, 2017, 03:13:35 PM »
Quote from: milorafferty on September 12, 2017, 03:02:14 PM
Quote from: Impending Doom on September 12, 2017, 02:32:57 PM
Quote from: milorafferty on September 12, 2017, 02:22:28 PM
I think that anyone who eats celery is stupid.  :o

What about celery with cream cheese or peanut butter on it? You can't deny that's tasty.


Oh yes I can.

Here is the math; celery=stupid  8)

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