Okay ten frames, ten spares equal a all spare game.

Then the classic clean game definition is just as consistent. There are ten frames, so ten marks equal a clean game.

The fill, bonus balls don't matter.

Quote from: Aloarjr810 on September 20, 2017, 12:50:28 PM

Okay ten frames, ten spares equal a all spare game.

Then the classic clean game definition is just as consistent. There are ten frames, so ten marks equal a clean game.

The fill, bonus balls don't matter.

 
Is it really?? The difference with the classic definition is that the determination of "clean" is made before the game is complete. When you roll a strike with the first delivery in the 10th, there are two deliveries remaining. The game is not over. You have 2 remaining shots to knock down all 10 pins, so you're ignoring the last part of the game. 
 
Maybe we're just talking semantics. I'm talking about a clean game, and you're talking a clean partial 10. So maybe in the interests of accuracy, the classic definition should be called "the clean partial 10" instead of a "clean game", where a game is defined as all activity through the last delivery.


Would that make more sense?? 
 


#strikeguttergutterisacleangame

I understand what everyone is saying, but I personally feel the way USBC sees this is the way it should be.

The only definition of a clean game that matters is the one that they have to win some prize.

And if that differs from what your personal integrity says it is, turn down the prize if they try to hand it to you. Otherwise your integrity means nothing, it's just hyperbole.

Quote from: Aloarjr810 on September 20, 2017, 03:52:07 PM

The only definition of a clean game that matters is the one that they have to win some prize.

And if that differs from what your personal integrity says it is, turn down the prize if they try to hand it to you. Otherwise your integrity means nothing, it's just hyperbole.

No issue with going with definitions for winning cash prizes. One of my favorite local tournaments is a scratch no-tap 6 gamer. Nine pins for a strike is ludicrous in a pure sense, but that's the definition for the tournament, and it's fun. It's actually much more challenging than many believe.
 
What we're talking about here is what "clean" should be in a pure sense. I'm still trying to get a straight answer to what's wrong with requiring that all 10 pins be knocked down whenever there are 2 consecutive deliveries to do so. It's such a simple and logical concept, it boggles the mind to see so many fight it.
 
The final rejection always seems to be "well, the USBC says....". This is one of those cases where I don't give two sh*ts and a giggle what they say. The ABC/USBC has a long history of doing stupid, and proposing to do stupid things. Blindly following everything without healthy inspection is the definition of intellectual dishonesty.
 
Is it really that difficult to examine without feeling offended??

If you have an argument for changing the official definition that has more depth than just being your opinion of what clean means to you, I'm all ears

Quote from: tommygn on September 21, 2017, 02:20:31 PM

So, you see nothing wrong with a strike, gutter, gutter in the tenth; counting as a clean game?? Not ....one.... thing wrong with it???

He doesn't b/c he recorded a mark in the 10th.  That's "why" (See! We DO comprehend the argument, for lack of a better term, FOR #StrikeGutterGutterIsClean).

He's just pro #StrikeGutterGutterIsClean

League Bowler: "GTGT, you had a clean night tonight bro!"

GTGT: "Nah, went X9- game 2, I missed that wrap dime I had"

League Bowler: "That's clean, by rule."

GTGT: "I can't honestly look myself in the eyes in the mirror and say I had a clean night, even if I recorded a mark in the 10th b/c I have higher standards than that.  I'm not being honest with myself and my conscience knows it.
 Whenever I don't clear 10 in 2 attempts.....I hold myself to a higher standard than 'mark in the 10th and you're good'.  BUT, that being said......I hope you feel good about your clean night."