Author Topic: Beginners scratch league? (Read 870 times)

Debina · « **on:** October 11, 2006, 02:56:04 AM »

I'm looking for opinions here, so fire away.

I'm tired of going to league and seeing people pick up the recap sheet to see how many handicap pins they're getting against the other team. I also want to test myself to see where I stand on my own merit, not depending on handicap pins to win. But, I also want to have a chance for success, which would be impossible in a standard scratch league.

So, here's my idea. Create a league for those who aren't yet good enough to compete on the big scratch leagues but want to see where they stand on a scratch basis. I have a proprietor who's willing to consider it, but before I present my idea, I'd like to have a solid plan for the league.

What I have so far:
- To join the league you have to have a book of 174 or below for the previous two seasons.
- Either a singles or doubles format.
- Short season of 16 weeks.
- A coach or two available for those who want help.
- Low league fees to make the experience more about learning and less about money.

Thoughts, anyone?

Deb

shelley · « **Reply #1 on:** October 11, 2006, 11:07:12 AM »

Sounds interesting, especially the short format. I've seen a lot of folks asking why we do 30-36-week leagues instead of 16-week leagues.

If you can get interest in it, I think you'll have a good time. It may be tough to get lower average bowlers to give up handicap, but patience and regular explanations of the rules (especially the part where everyone has a lower average) might win out. It will be interesting to see if they go for it without there being money involved. Bowlers are the biggest idiots when it comes to money, and many won't go for it unless there's something in the prize fund. Even though it doesn't pay for their bowling in the first place, even though most donate anyway. It's why we pay out for last place.

Hope you get it going. I'd be there for sure. My average hovers between 170-175 now.

SH

dizzyfugu · « **Reply #2 on:** October 11, 2006, 11:09:40 AM »

I doubt that you can fill a league with enough bowlers of that level and keep them, even though it is a shorter format. The idea is IMHO good, but I think hard to keep up.

Another format idea:
My club does a summer league for 3 years now with a very entertaining format for bowlers at any level. Since my club has only 10 lanes, they play trio teams.

Players have to tell whether they join next start to prepare - the teams are eahc time drawn from 3 pools based on the official or unofficial handycap - the pool of attendants is simply split in 3 grous of high/medium/low. One player from each pool is alloted to one team.
Idea behind it was to have quite even teams, but also to have the players get to know each other better, and have the better bowlers give some advice.

It was and is big fun, especially because you had the opportunity as a 140 pin average player to be in a team with premier league bowlers or even national team members. The whole thing also worked fine without any handycap, in 2006 a team handycap was added.

Starting money was/is quite low (less than $2 per game this season), because the club supported this event with 10 starts, and we had a small money pot for the best teams, depending on participant numbers.
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Aloarjr810 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 11, 2006, 07:38:55 PM »

If the house goes for it and you can get the people neat idea.

Just a thought-
Go for a Singles league (that way they don't have to worry about getting a partner)

don't use a standard houseshot,use a sport or PBA pattern. Something that means making good shots.

Split the 16 weeks into 8 week segments.

At the end of each segment(the 8th wk) have it like a mini tournament.
Bowl say 3 games. Then cut to the top (how ever many bowlers)have one more game, then make another cut and have a stepladder final.or something like that you get the idea.

To see who is that segments top bowlers are .

BOWL119 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 11, 2006, 08:34:20 PM »

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Just a thought-Go for a Singles league (that way they don't have to worry about getting a partner)

How would you do singles? would you have say 3 bolwers per lane and each week they would change who they bowl with?

I think if you did a 575Scratch league, that would be great. You could still have a 200 average bowler and then a couple sub-200 bowlers. Or go lower then that, team average should be around 175. Tired of going into a house and seeing the same people bowling a scratch league.
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Aloarjr810 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 11, 2006, 09:20:25 PM »

quote:
How would you do singles? would you have say 3 bowlers per lane and each week they would change who they bowl with?

You bowl three games, Maybe moving one pair to the right after each game or not.

Bowlers draw for lane assignments as they show up.

Have three bowlers per lane, designated as "1A, 1B, 1C," etc.,
for ease of movement from pair to pair if moving lanes.

Have Points based on individual totals for each game compared to the rest of the
league.

For example, if 40 bowlers competed, the highest game each game
is worth 40 points, second-high was worth 39 points, third-high 38
points, etc.

At the end of the season, the total for all points
awarded is divided into the prize fund to determine the value for each
point.
Example: if 1,000 points were awarded and there was $500 in the
prize fund, each point was worth 50 cents.

I sure there are alot of ways to format a singles.
have points awarded for games in certain levels say
200+ =6points,190's=5points, 180's=4points
for series 600+=6points, 500's=5points etc.....

They tried something like a lower cap ( I dont remember if it was 575 or what) on the scratch league here.
And that didnt work well, You wound up with teams with two 200+ave bowlers running around trying to find a low ave bowler to make the cap.
There just was not alot of lower aves wanting to bowl on a scratch league.It would depend on the pool of bowlers there is at a house.

Edited on 10/11/2006 9:24 PM

TheProphet · « **Reply #6 on:** October 11, 2006, 09:23:17 PM »

quote:
I'm looking for opinions here, so fire away.

I'm tired of going to league and seeing people pick up the recap sheet to see how many handicap pins they're getting against the other team. I also want to test myself to see where I stand on my own merit, not depending on handicap pins to win. But, I also want to have a chance for success, which would be impossible in a standard scratch league.

So, here's my idea. Create a league for those who aren't yet good enough to compete on the big scratch leagues but want to see where they stand on a scratch basis. I have a proprietor who's willing to consider it, but before I present my idea, I'd like to have a solid plan for the league.

What I have so far:
- To join the league you have to have a book of 174 or below for the previous two seasons.
- Either a singles or doubles format.
- Short season of 16 weeks.
- A coach or two available for those who want help.
- Low league fees to make the experience more about learning and less about money.

Thoughts, anyone?

Deb

You should section that up a bit. You might have a 112 Competing with a 174...

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