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Author Topic: difference between low, medium, high track  (Read 4066 times)

skevr

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difference between low, medium, high track
« on: March 01, 2010, 12:44:05 AM »
Can anyone explain the difference between low, medium and high track when it comes to the effect they all have on a ball? Does it effect the rotation ? Please help!!

 

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Re: difference between low, medium, high track
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2010, 01:31:41 PM »
+1 to darth

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Re: difference between low, medium, high track
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2010, 01:50:53 PM »
+1 to darth again

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Re: difference between low, medium, high track
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2010, 02:07:34 PM »
I love this post, i myself am a very high tracker and have been waiting on a topic that states the differences most see having a different track.

I myself track literally right next to my finger and thumb, almost clipping them, so probably around 6 over axis, it was 5 3/4 when we checked it last and I was about 1/4 inch lower than I am now.

I never see extreme backend reaction with anything of mine unlike some more average trackers, but when I tuck my pinky i can make it move rather strongly when i tuck my pinky finger and move inside. I can also play strait up the back of the ball walter ray style which works extremely well when it is oily, I am usally the one who has the easiest time with lots of oil.

Dry is my and most higher trackers worst enemy, to much dry can wreak havoc on my ball reaction and carry unless using something like me Hornet.
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Re: difference between low, medium, high track
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2010, 01:53:45 PM »
What would be the disadvantages of being a low track (spinner) bowler?  Any tips on how to raise the track and increase the overall size?

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Re: difference between low, medium, high track
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2010, 02:57:14 PM »
Disadvantage of having a small axis diameter would be:

Limitations on effective drillings (most small diameter track players can't take any pins above fingers too much length).
Might struggle on lots of oil (unless you've got something suitably strong in the bag).

I have a moderately high track, and have lots of problems when there isn't much head oil (although am learning to loft).

Neither of them are "right" they both have their advantages and disadvantages.
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Re: difference between low, medium, high track
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2010, 03:15:48 PM »
Is there any special way to measure track diameter?  My PAP is 5 x 1/4 up, does that tell me anything in regards to this subject?

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Re: difference between low, medium, high track
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2010, 09:49:57 PM »
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Is there any special way to measure track diameter?  
See the links under the axis tilt section of the Unofficial FAQ stickie at the top of the Miscellaneous forum.  --  JohnP

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Re: difference between low, medium, high track
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2010, 11:39:12 PM »
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I have a moderately high track, and have lots of problems when there isn't much head oil (although am learning to loft).

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What problems do you see?  I'm a high tracker and have been puzzled about the reaction I see on my stuff.. Doesn't seem to be like others around me..
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Re: difference between low, medium, high track
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2010, 01:50:27 AM »
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Dry is my and most higher trackers worst enemy, to much dry can wreak havoc on my ball reaction and carry unless using something like me Hornet.



+1. My PAP is 5" over and 7/8" up, track is normally very close to the thumb hole and maybe 1/2" from the middle finger.

With my 'normal' release, I stay behind the ball and get a pretty powerful roll and good back end reaction from most of my equipment. From my point of view, I cannot confirm that such a release has little back end - but many of my balls are drilled witha high pin for length and a stacked CG/MB for a sharper break, so that might be the reason behind this.

But dry heads kill this release - I have to add side rotation up to a suitcase grip release to send the ball down the lane. Big probkem, esp. in league with 5-men teams, many high end balls and rather light oil...
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Re: difference between low, medium, high track
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2010, 03:12:07 AM »
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I have a moderately high track, and have lots of problems when there isn't much head oil (although am learning to loft).

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What problems do you see?  I'm a high tracker and have been puzzled about the reaction I see on my stuff.. Doesn't seem to be like others around me..
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The biggest issue I have is with rollout. Along with my large diameter track, which makes the ball roll sooner, I also get the ball down really early, so if there's little or no head oil up front, the ball can run out of energy and/or grab really early on the lane giving me a tough reaction (if the pace is off just a little the ball dives through the beak)
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Re: difference between low, medium, high track
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2010, 08:18:00 AM »
its all about tilt.

to get the widest use of lane conditions its good to have between 13 - 20 degrees of tilt. this way the ball hits enough surface of the ball for it to react in both slightly oily and dry conditions.

too little tilt (> 5 1/4" over OR 10+ degrees of tilt) and not enough head oil can really kill your ball reaction!

too much tilt ( < 3 1/4 over OR 24- degrees of tilt) and the ball can get too much length especially in the oil.

if you ask me id be more happy with more tilt then less (not a spinner) because the cores today are so strong they can help a lower track player but a high tracker really is limited on how his ball can be driller.
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Edited on 3/3/2010 9:44 AM

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Re: difference between low, medium, high track
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2010, 08:21:18 AM »
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if you ask me id be more happy with more tilt then less (not a spinner) because the cores today are so strong they can help a lower track player but a high tracker really is limited on how his ball can be driller.



Very good point, and I''d also add the modern coverstocks'' traction ability. They offer so much grip that even a spinner creates good hook down the lane, so that no release "up the back" is necessary to make a ball move. It just becomes overkill when you have a rather roll-favoring release, little oil and lower speed... these are the times

Just had this case last weekend during league: many senior bowlers were tossing (literally) their high end stuff (Invasion, Jigsaw Corner and such), while I had to fight with my Pure Hammer for length and had to switch to my Slate Blue Gargoyle(!!!) for a proper ball reaction. This is really frustrating...
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Re: difference between low, medium, high track
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2010, 08:51:44 AM »
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if you ask me id be more happy with more tilt then less (not a spinner) because the cores today are so strong they can help a lower track player but a high tracker really is limited on how his ball can be driller.



Very good point, and I''d also add the modern coverstocks'' traction ability. They offer so much grip that even a spinner creates good hook down the lane, so that no release "up the back" is necessary to make a ball move. It just becomes overkill when you have a rather roll-favoring release, little oil and lower speed... these are the times

Just had this case last weekend during league: many senior bowlers were tossing (literally) their high end stuff (Invasion, Jigsaw Corner and such), while I had to fight with my Pure Hammer for length and had to switch to my Slate Blue Gargoyle(!!!) for a proper ball reaction. This is really frustrating...
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I remember when my pap point was somewhere around 5 3/4 and I was trying to learn how to cover more boards. my coach tries to show me how to do it and after a few games my ball turns over and actually hooked in the oil and bounced off the dry... I couldnt believe it. and when the ball came back my track was significantly lower!

at the time i couldnt figure out why and everytime id tell him i was getting more hook that day hed say.... i bet your track was further away from the fingers that day.

I didnt get it at the time but now it makes sense. tilt is very important.


(the main reason my driller kept asking me if my track lowered is because he told me over and over again that he had very little choices of drillings for me and had to keep placing the pin and mb in safe spots as I used to clip the thumb if the pin was placed wrong)
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Re: difference between low, medium, high track
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2010, 09:28:54 AM »
I also have a high track (5 3/4 over and 1 up with alot of tilt, not quite as much as pdw but itís up there)

letsbowl4money: My ball has plenty of late movement with my track. Ball selection determines when I want the ball to read the lane, not my release.

I am by no means a professional driller (I drill my own stuff but I have not been doing it as long as many people who are on the forums have) but here are a few guidelines I use and have had success with.

I usually try to keep the pin at least an inch above the midline to avoid clipping.

Drilling the middle finger deeper will also move the bowtie if you are clipping (may be the ring finger im not 100% sure on this but Iím sure somebody will chime in).

Also for me when drilling asym. balls I usually keep the MB closer to the thumb then in stronger positions. This is mostly personal pref. but i prefer the reaction I get.

I would not worry about changing your release if you can repeat the release over and over.

Also I donít know why people say low track players (not spinners) are limited on drilling a ball, with a low track you can do some exotic layouts, some end up looking like they were drilled for a lefty but they still work very well.

Icewall: I have no issue covering boards either, but again that is mostly due to ball choice.

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