Author Topic: difference between low, medium, high track (Read 40308 times)

skevr · « **on:** March 01, 2010, 12:44:05 AM »

Can anyone explain the difference between low, medium and high track when it comes to the effect they all have on a ball? Does it effect the rotation ? Please help!!

J_w73 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 03, 2010, 09:35:47 AM »

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I have a moderately high track, and have lots of problems when there isn't much head oil (although am learning to loft).

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Reporting from England

What problems do you see? I'm a high tracker and have been puzzled about the reaction I see on my stuff.. Doesn't seem to be like others around me..
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18 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, 15 deg axis tilt, varied rotational axis deg.. usually 45+
HighGame 300 x 4, High Series 808
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience 185

The biggest issue I have is with rollout. Along with my large diameter track, which makes the ball roll sooner, I also get the ball down really early, so if there's little or no head oil up front, the ball can run out of energy and/or grab really early on the lane giving me a tough reaction (if the pace is off just a little the ball dives through the beak)
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Reporting from England

ok.. I was beginning to think I just didn't know how to hook the ball anymore.. I have decent revs but I see all these guys around me and their ball moving way more.. My ball just seems to be DOA at the pins. My stronger stuff doesn't hook more it hooks less.. Seems the weaker I go the more hook and backend I am getting..
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18 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, 15 deg axis tilt, varied rotational axis deg.. usually 45+
HighGame 300 x 4, High Series 808
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience 185

LaneHammer20 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 03, 2010, 10:31:20 AM »

J-w. Me and you are literally floating in the same boat.

My equipment moves, especially when I tuck my pinky and increase tilt. But when I play fingers spread apart I get a smooth move off the ball, it works and i like it but it has alot of disadvantages.

I just hate the nights most when I am the only person regardless of what I am throwing with absolutly no ball reaction, maybe 2-3 boards, while everyone else from the wussy puss knucklers (whatever Mo calls them) to the guys turning there hand completely over on every shot.

Dry lanes or quickly dimishing head oil hurts me, and 90% of the time sneaks up on me without noticing it quick enough casuing some bas things to happen before noticing ruining a game and seriers for that matter. Has happened alot lately in the last game shooting some scores I will not mention and ruining a good set.
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What is sandbagging???

icewall · « **Reply #18 on:** March 03, 2010, 08:36:58 PM »

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Also I donâ€™t know why people say low track players (not spinners) are limited on drilling a ball, with a low track you can do some exotic layouts, some end up looking like they were drilled for a lefty but they still work very well.

Icewall: I have no issue covering boards either, but again that is mostly due to ball choice.

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Zoltan!

Edited on 3/3/2010 10:31 AM

alright lets get some things straight.

#1 I did not say that. I said high track players are limited to drillings.

#2 everything you stated is good for high track players such as yourself. theres nothing wrong with that... just saying it helps to state something like "being a high track player I prefer 'weak' MB positions"

#3 tilt is not rotation

BTW im not attacking you or anything. I just like to make sure others reading it dont get confused or read mis-information.

theres nothing wrong with tracking high. it just can make it very difficult to find a weak enough ball / a ball to store enough energy. I know this as I used to track high and watch guys with low rev rates hooking 10 more boards then me barely tapping the pocket and carrying the world.
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tweener
300 revs
16 mph
17 degrees of tilt

when you're feeling blue,
just say to yourself "what would BallBaggins do?"

J_w73 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 04, 2010, 12:05:06 AM »

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J-w. Me and you are literally floating in the same boat.

My equipment moves, especially when I tuck my pinky and increase tilt. But when I play fingers spread apart I get a smooth move off the ball, it works and i like it but it has alot of disadvantages.

I just hate the nights most when I am the only person regardless of what I am throwing with absolutly no ball reaction, maybe 2-3 boards, while everyone else from the wussy puss knucklers (whatever Mo calls them) to the guys turning there hand completely over on every shot.

Dry lanes or quickly dimishing head oil hurts me, and 90% of the time sneaks up on me without noticing it quick enough casuing some bas things to happen before noticing ruining a game and seriers for that matter. Has happened alot lately in the last game shooting some scores I will not mention and ruining a good set.
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What is sandbagging???

How do you have most of your equipment drilled??? Long Pin to PAP?? .. pin over fingers or close to VAL??
that is what seems to work for me.. Also.. do most High Trackers have more of a skid flip style

That is what I have always played caused it seems to guarantee that I can get the ball down the lane and still have back end..

Just this year tried to get an earlier smoother roll but I don't know if it is working out that well..
I seemed to have lost that flip and backend when I need it..

but yeah.. recently all my strong stuff just moves like 3 boards.. doesn't finish and hits weak..
but I also have problems with my strong stuff not moving in oil either.. so i don't know what the deal is there..

lately been using a solid creature, neptune, green gargoyle, slate blue gargoyle... while everyone else is using VG's , mutant cells, and other strong balls..

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18 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, 15 deg axis tilt, varied rotational axis deg.. usually 45+
HighGame 300 x 4, High Series 808
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience 185

x1a4 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 04, 2010, 06:16:07 AM »

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Also I donâ€™t know why people say low track players (not spinners) are limited on drilling a ball, with a low track you can do some exotic layouts, some end up looking like they were drilled for a lefty but they still work very well.

Icewall: I have no issue covering boards either, but again that is mostly due to ball choice.

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Zoltan!

Edited on 3/3/2010 10:31 AM

alright lets get some things straight.

#1 I did not say that. I said high track players are limited to drillings.

#2 everything you stated is good for high track players such as yourself. theres nothing wrong with that... just saying it helps to state something like "being a high track player I prefer 'weak' MB positions"

#3 tilt is not rotation

BTW im not attacking you or anything. I just like to make sure others reading it dont get confused or read mis-information.

theres nothing wrong with tracking high. it just can make it very difficult to find a weak enough ball / a ball to store enough energy. I know this as I used to track high and watch guys with low rev rates hooking 10 more boards then me barely tapping the pocket and carrying the world.
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tweener
300 revs
16 mph
17 degrees of tilt

when you're feeling blue,
just say to yourself "what would BallBaggins do?"

#1 - i believe somebody else was saying low track players were limited on drilling.

#2 - i was just trying to chime in and let others know what has worked for me in the past

#3 - i get merds wixed up sometimes =P

I did not mean my post to come off as an attack either.

One thing that has helped me when trying to get a desirable reaction is drilling weak balls stronger and stronger balls weaker... Also playing with the cover helps me alot as well. I had a ball at 4000 grit I did not like at all. I took it down to 1000 and polished it and it was money. I also like to throw alot of pearl or hybrid pieces.

Have you ever tried tucking your pinky in when you throw the ball? That changes my ball motion (not a huge change).
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Zoltan!

LaneHammer20 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 04, 2010, 07:02:14 AM »

I have been getting my best reactions lately with drilling equipment on the weaker side. 5.5 from PAP above fingers has been very good to as of late.It gets me down the lane good and provides a very nice backend reaction. Pin down balls roll over my thumb and fingers and are just to smooth.

I have not tried a layout with the pin close to the VAL, but have been wanting to try it. My style can get semi-flippy at times on certain conditions, but typically I have a pronounced midlane roll while having a good backend, nothing crazy.

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What is sandbagging???

J_w73 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 04, 2010, 08:50:41 AM »

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I have been getting my best reactions lately with drilling equipment on the weaker side. 5.5 from PAP above fingers has been very good to as of late.It gets me down the lane good and provides a very nice backend reaction. Pin down balls roll over my thumb and fingers and are just to smooth.

I have not tried a layout with the pin close to the VAL, but have been wanting to try it. My style can get semi-flippy at times on certain conditions, but typically I have a pronounced midlane roll while having a good backend, nothing crazy.

That is how I had pretty much all my equipment laid out.. 5.5 pin to pap pin over bridge, mb at 60 deg (inch right of thumb or so)..
The higher you go toward the VAL with a given PAP the more angular and quicker turn the ball will have.. some say more backend.. some say less.. I think that depends on what the lanes give you up front..

recently I have done some different drillings.. tried a rico on a mammoth.. like it but the cover is just too strong for anything but a flood.. I have a creature that has the Pin at center grip with no weight hole.. I thought this ball would clip the fingers or thumb but it doesn't and it actually one of my go to balls lately..have a double thumb layout on a sidewinder as well.. that ball is pretty good on a wide variety of conditions..

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What is sandbagging???

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18 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, 15 deg axis tilt, varied rotational axis deg.. usually 45+
HighGame 300 x 4, High Series 808
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience 185

x1a4 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 04, 2010, 09:09:25 AM »

I have my equip drilled with longer pins except for 1 ball.

Dimension 5 x 3
Rapid Fire Pearl 6" pin to pap cg in palm
Temper 2 1/2" pin to PAP, MB in track. (very nice control piece, its my goto ball when my others fail).

I also had alot of success with my Total NV drilled with the "Tommy Jones Trick Layout" until the ball died. I tried oil extraction and full resurface but it was never the same.
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Zoltan!

batbowler · « **Reply #24 on:** March 04, 2010, 09:57:47 AM »

I have a low track: pap 4-1/8"> x 5/8"^ and I have lot of choices for ball drilling! I can place the pin under middle finger, under ring finger, right of ring finger and higher above midline. I use the dual angle drilling and what layout is what I want the ball to do. I have a Jigsaw Corner with the pin above my middle finger and have shot great with this ball. The only limitations you have is yourself! I also have about a 75deg axis rotation, so I choose drilling to get the ball to roll sooner by using higher pin to pap val drill angles. I use closer pin to pap distance, but place them higher above midline or more backend or closer to midline for earlier roll and less movement on the backend. Don't paint yourself into the corner by thinking you can't do something, just learn different hand positions, wrist positions, and finger positions! Your only limited by yourself and what you think you can or can't do! So your mission for the day is go learn and set some new records for yourself! Just my $.02 and did I mention that my new favorite ball company is MOTIV!
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