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Author Topic: does everyone use a "spare ball" for 10 pin shot?  (Read 2413 times)

splitcity

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does everyone use a "spare ball" for 10 pin shot?
« on: December 09, 2011, 11:12:01 AM »
i guess its time for me to try to cave on this subject. for 15 years i have used my strike ball and just moved left, killed the wrist and thrown over the center arrow. lately for some reason i have been shaving the 10 pin to the left or missing it all together. last season in 30 weeks i converted 65% of my 10 pins which isnt that great. I average 207 and bowl one night a week. i feel good using my strike ball for any spare on the left, i just hook it into it. as for the right side i have been missing them to the left a lot. SO....... should i get a plastic 10 pin spare ball? i still have to hit my mark but this should cut down in missing the 10 pin to the left, right? what percentage of people use a seperate, plastic spare ball? should i go down a pound to 15 if i do? i use all 16 lb stuff.



 

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Re: does everyone use a "spare ball" for 10 pin shot?
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2011, 07:55:21 AM »
There is nothing WRONG with using a performance ball at 10 pins. To hold a PBA player up as an example as someone using a rractive ball for 10 pins isn't a very good example. I would think and expect most anyone bowling in PBA tournaments to be able to.

 

Thing is, most high end players have multiple hand positions and releases as well as being able to execute higher ball speeds without losing the ball off line. This is where plastic is most useful tothe lower/middle average players. As charlest says, you do lose some area. But the key is to simplify everything, figure out your targeting, and just put the ball on the target board. Don't need to kill your hand, don't need to throw it harder, nothing. No manipulation required.

 

My brother was a 212 bowler. Went to a spare that feels better and has increased his 10 pin percentage bt 15-20% and raised his average into the 220's and even in the 230's this year.
 



Pinbuster wrote on 12/10/2011 7:28 AM:
I personally use a plastic for right hand spares. With my lower ball speed it helps keep me online.


 


I know of several very good bowlers in the area who use their strike balls, one is probably the best in town and was a multiple winner on the PBA tour.


 


He has fairly high ball speed to start with and is able to simply power it straight at the 10 for spares and is very good at it.


 


Plastic does take the lane pattern largely out of play and eliminates one of the variables of shooting at spares.


 


If you are having problems with your strike ball hooking left of the 10 then I would consider it, if it is simply a case of not executing your shot then you have that issue.




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Re: does everyone use a "spare ball" for 10 pin shot?
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2011, 08:17:53 AM »
 It's all a matter of preference.

 

You said you were missing left...the question that needs to be answered is why.  Is it a targeting problem or is it because the ball is hooking past it?

 

If you're having problems getting your strike ball to go straight on a consistent basis, a plastic spare ball will go a long way toward eliminating that problem. 

 

If you're pulling the ball off your target line, maybe you need to work on hitting your mark better.

 

In my case, it was a matter of not being able to consistently kill the roll.  If I did, I made the spare, but more than likely, the ball would hook just enough to miss.  A plastic ball improved my 7 pin %  from less than 40% to well over 75%.  As a result, my average is up by at least 10 pins.



splitcity wrote on 12/9/2011 9:53 PM:
surprised at the different responses. thanks for the input.




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Re: does everyone use a "spare ball" for 10 pin shot?
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2011, 02:10:12 PM »
thanks everyone. i like the advice and input. i think i will punch up a platic ball and give it a shot. im a 205-210 avg every year and i want to get to 215-220 or higher(of course). i only convert 60-70% of my ten pins killing the roll. nothing worse then a 6 bagger followed by a 10 pin open. it happens a lot. one last question is there any benifit to reducing the weight of the ball down for a plastic spare ball for better control? i use 16 lb equip was considering 15 plastic spare ball.



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Re: does everyone use a "spare ball" for 10 pin shot?
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2011, 02:39:49 PM »
Nobody said "you have to" use plastic for spares to average 220+. For most bowlers, it's a tool to help you get there. As Complete said, there are less wrist gymnastics required to use plastic instead of the primary strike ball. Simplicity is almost always preferable. There is little to debate here. Knock yourself out if you can use the same ball for everything, regardless of condition. Some do, but it's not the most effective approach for "most" bowlers.

The only way to know for your own game is to try both approaches. As always, go with what works best for you individually.



 
lefty50 wrote on 12/9/2011 9:44 PM:
Cannot agree that you "have" to have a spare ball  to avg 220...

+1 vote here for kill the wrist and throw end over end. I'll take the extra spot in the bag and the consistent feel of a single ball over using a different ball, even if it's drilled perfectly.


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Re: does everyone use a "spare ball" for 10 pin shot?
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2011, 02:51:07 PM »
I used to take 6 balls to league 3-4 nights a week, 1 being a plastic ball.. I would keep around 205-210.. I managed to get it up to about 213 before I got annoyed and gave all my equipment away and quit for a year. Now I bring 1 bowling ball *a x-factor reloaded* and bowl 1 night a week avg'n 225-230. No one *needs* a spare ball, some just don't know how to kill their release and throw a hooking ball straight so they require the use of one. I just move 2-3 boards left on my stance, straighten out my wrist, pull my pinky/pointer finger in and throw it cross lane at my target with a maybe 1-2mph more then usual. Nothing I love more then watching people throw at something on the right side such as a 6 pin or 10pin and still rev'n the hell out of the ball and getting mad when it hooks before it gets to the pin.


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Re: does everyone use a "spare ball" for 10 pin shot?
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2011, 04:07:18 PM »
i do not thought about it but why waste the money on a ball you only hope to use 2-3 times a game:) plus if i make a good shot 9 of 10 i make the spare as well and if i make a bad shot 10 pen will still be there


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Re: does everyone use a "spare ball" for 10 pin shot?
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2011, 04:54:47 PM »
I would if I had one!
I have two strike balls, so just bowl flathanded and straight for the spares.
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Re: does everyone use a "spare ball" for 10 pin shot?
« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2011, 05:08:25 PM »
 Plastic ball is my most important tool in my entire bag.  If I'm going into a foreign house on unknown conditions (or even knowing the sport shot) I can always count on my plastic being consistent like league.  No adjustments in spare shooting = good.

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Re: does everyone use a "spare ball" for 10 pin shot?
« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2011, 06:07:14 PM »
I do not use a spare ball (plastic that is), just learned how to flatten out my shot (with a few lessons), I know, who needs lessons. Found it more informative and cheaper then buying another ball that I didn't need. Gives me a spot in the bag for another strike ball if needed.

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Re: does everyone use a "spare ball" for 10 pin shot?
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2011, 06:07:52 PM »
If you wanna increase your average, no matter which way you choose to shoot at spares it is about being consistant. Dropping weight with one ball is also not a good idea. It will effect the feel of the ball through your swing and may cause issues. It is plastic, it will go where you throw it no matter what speed.


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Re: does everyone use a "spare ball" for 10 pin shot?
« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2011, 08:20:08 PM »
break your wrist back and point your thumb at the pin you are aiming at. the ball will roll end over end. IT WILL NOT HOOK AT ALL IF YOU THROW IT RIGHT. its best to practice this method with your most aggressive ball. because if your hand position and motion is correct, even stuff as strong as the gravity nano solid will go as straight as a plastic ball. dont say you cant. i throw over 18 out to 5-6 at 17 mph with a very high rev rate on a fresh house shot. my ten pin shot is over 18 as well. my follow through is the exact same as my first shot but my hand position is bent back and locked in that position through my entire motion. I NEVER THROW A PLASTIC BALL EXCEPT ON MORE DEMANDING CONDITIONS SUCH AS SPORT SHOT PATTERNS. and the advantage of pointing your thumb is the fact that you will be throwing a STRAIGHT BALL at your spares. more importantly though. you will never have to worry about the oil conditions ever again. and the reason why is a straight shot, WILL ALWAYS BE STRAIGHT.. you can go anywhere and throw on any kind of surface and a true straight ball will always go straight and not hook NO MATTER WHAT!!!!!. which means your mark for your spares will never change because you dont have to worry about how much oil is located on the boards. im not saying to transform your bowling still but it does work to your advantage if you learn how to do that motion in which i described.


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Re: does everyone use a "spare ball" for 10 pin shot?
« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2011, 11:24:26 PM »
legendary coach and my coaching mentor Fred Borden.  Teaches, you should use a spare ball for all spares expect any double wood spares, on house or sport conditions. Fred would say on single pin spares you have about 22"  to make a single pin spares the corners you have about 13" .  ( the pin is 4" wide and the ball is 9" wide. so you have pin in middle and have 9" left or 9" right to make the 22" )  He even taught me how to pick up wash outs with my spare ball. My single pin spare conversion rate is over 90% my wash outs are over 70% since working with Fred. I keep detailed charts of all my spares & strike %. I have been doing this since working with Fred to track my improvement.  And I also teach my students a lot of Fred principles.  If you miss a easy spare most of the time it is a mental mistake not all  the time.  Yes there are some people who do ok with a strike ball on spares . I would bet if they used a spare ball, there spare % would go up. Unless you track your conversion rate and wright it down you do not have an accurate conversion % you can not keep that record in your head correct all the time.  track your improvement you might be surprised

 

 

Split City I do not know what part of OH you are from. But if you are near Akron Look ip Fred Borden or Jeri Edwards @ Stone hedge bowling center, Near Columbus Ron Hatfield @ the Palace, near Dayton, Andy Parker at Pole King south.  All  4 are great coaches and very much worth your time and money. I have been coached by all and have been mentored by Fred,Ron and Andy on improving my Coaching skills.

 

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Re: does everyone use a "spare ball" for 10 pin shot?
« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2011, 12:46:51 AM »
I also use a polyester ball for the 10 pin, just to make sure the ball goes dead straight. I also prefer the hard ball when it comes to most split conversions. I have been experimenting with strike balls on the 10 lately, with inconclusive results. But from what I have seen so far, I will stay with the plastic ball, because balls will react very differently for me, even though I break the wrist totally back and create a straight full roller release, which normally keeps the plastic ball on line. Reactives will grab somewhere, and hook, and if I do not want this extra error factor, I eliminate it.


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Re: does everyone use a "spare ball" for 10 pin shot?
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2011, 05:36:38 AM »
If it works for you, then using a spare ball 2-3 times a game can really help.  If you make your 10-pins two out of 3 times again, that is OK, but your average would be 10 pins higher if you made it 3 out of 3 times.
 



ericfox4 wrote on 12/10/2011 5:07 PM:i do not thought about it but why waste the money on a ball you only hope to use 2-3 times a game:) plus if i make a good shot 9 of 10 i make the spare as well and if i make a bad shot 10 pen will still be there



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Re: does everyone use a "spare ball" for 10 pin shot?
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2011, 05:40:56 AM »
I used to throw my strike ball as my spare ball and was quite good at spares.  However, I was using soft plastic or uerathane and I was a stroker.  Now that I have learned to hook the ball, and I use reactive equipment, I found I need to use plastice for my spares.  When you try to kill reactive from inside to outside, it will sometimes bite on the burnt track and hook away from the pin.  Using a plastic ball will give you a more predictable shot at corner pins.


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