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Author Topic: For the better of the team or yourself? (Read 1089 times)

abrown

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For the better of the team or yourself?
on: December 04, 2017, 08:33:31 AM
For the past years with urethane making a major comeback its always seems to lead to the "well shit their throwing urethane and itll ruin my shot"  when it comes down to it i hardly ever pull out of my bag as long as were winning thus hurting myself but we get the W.

How many if youve faced this issue? Whats your opinion on the matter?

avabob

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Re: For the better of the team or yourself?
Reply #16 on: December 06, 2017, 10:56:58 AM
Urethane only ruins the shot for someone who has no clue how to adjust.   

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Re: For the better of the team or yourself?
Reply #17 on: December 06, 2017, 10:58:22 AM
^^^

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Re: For the better of the team or yourself?
Reply #18 on: December 06, 2017, 05:55:46 PM
Now that I think about it the only time urethane has ever ruined a shot for me was when I was throwing urethane. 

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Re: For the better of the team or yourself?
Reply #19 on: December 07, 2017, 09:20:35 AM
Now that I think about it the only time urethane has ever ruined a shot for me was when I was throwing urethane.

I think there is actually some truth to that, despite what I think you meant. Urethane is going to affect the shot more for people throwing urethane than resin. You see this on a lot of the PBA telecasts when someone uses urethane for more than a game. The shot is great and then all of the sudden they can't get a consistent reaction.

avabob

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Re: For the better of the team or yourself?
Reply #20 on: December 07, 2017, 12:32:09 PM
That is exactly what I meant.  I have backed myself into a corner using urethane, and have seen pros do the sane thing multiple times.  Urethane is so condition specific, and is impacted more by carrydiwn that it is a common occurrence. 

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Re: For the better of the team or yourself?
Reply #21 on: December 07, 2017, 01:19:50 PM
That is exactly what I meant.  I have backed myself into a corner using urethane, and have seen pros do the sane thing multiple times.  Urethane is so condition specific, and is impacted more by carrydiwn that it is a common occurrence.

Could this be why my Hot Cell has a tendency to stop finishing/hook less after about 1 complete game?  I've been trying to make this new ball work for me, but I'm having a hard time. 
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Re: For the better of the team or yourself?
Reply #22 on: December 07, 2017, 02:57:19 PM
Yes.  The big advantage to resin when it first came out 25 years ago was that it would cut through the carrydown urethane created, and create less csrrydown itself.  Csrrydown was a huge factor pre resin, but became a non factor until the oil volumes increased so much to combat the absorption of the resin balls. 


It would be nice if there was some way to enforce a rule that would limit surface adjustments and keep them at 3-4000.  High rev guys could still blow up patterns, but not nearly so quickly.

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Re: For the better of the team or yourself?
Reply #23 on: December 07, 2017, 09:36:36 PM
Plus after about a game or so you can no longer keep the ball completely dry of oil minus using cleaner.  Learned the hard way to at least try or get that sh1t all over my pants (start ball resting front of my hip). 
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Re: For the better of the team or yourself?
Reply #24 on: December 08, 2017, 09:16:50 AM
these new higher flaring urethane balls like the hot cell or widow urethane will cut down on urethane carrydown though because they flare a lot more than "normal urethane" so really the only carrydown should be when the bowties hit the lane.....in theory