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john178

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Help With Axis Tilt/Rotation
« on: May 29, 2015, 07:47:33 PM »
My Axis Tilt is 10 degrees while my Axis Rotation is 85 degree.  Subsequently  I don't do very well on oily lane conditions.  For instance I had a very difficult time with two patterns at the USBC Open.  It was my first time to bowl the event and it was very humbling experience.   

What are the things that I can work on to change my Axis Tilt and Rotation so that I am coming up the back of the ball more versus the side ?  Also, are there any drillings that would help in this situation ?

One additional factor is that I do use a Vise wrist support.

Thanks for any and all tips.

« Last Edit: May 29, 2015, 08:08:55 PM by john178 »

 

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Re: Help With Axis Tilt/Rotation
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2015, 09:22:24 PM »
Try and get a video of Chris Barnes. He is an excellent example of getting heavy forward roll on the ball with the proper axis tilt. This is what gives "carry" when hitting the pocket. I would probably try to get rid of any wrist device as they seem to promote side rotation rather than heavy forward roll.
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Re: Help With Axis Tilt/Rotation
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2015, 10:39:43 PM »
My Axis Tilt is 10 degrees while my Axis Rotation is 85 degree.  Subsequently  I don't do very well on oily lane conditions.  For instance I had a very difficult time with two patterns at the USBC Open.  It was my first time to bowl the event and it was very humbling experience.   

What are the things that I can work on to change my Axis Tilt and Rotation so that I am coming up the back of the ball more versus the side ?  Also, are there any drillings that would help in this situation ?

One additional factor is that I do use a Vise wrist support.

Thanks for any and all tips.



Couple things that come to mind.............first is release the ball with the feeling that your thumb is pointed directly towards the pins.  Second one is feel like your elbow is tucked in close to your side in your downswing. 

Axis rotation is not the worst thing in the world.  You just have to pay extra attention to the surfaces of your equipment.  Really shiny stuff is not your friend on most conditions as your axis rotation helps create push anyway.  You got to get the ball to slow down and transition faster so the ball doesnt want to go 45-50 feet before it starts to hook.  I would put most of your equipment for most house conditions at 2000 abralon or 3000 abralon.  If you do use polish, then only use a compound polish like Royal Compound or Step 2 from Storm and use no higher than 2000 abralon. 
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Re: Help With Axis Tilt/Rotation
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2015, 02:35:19 PM »
Try and release as f throwing a back up ball this can minimize over rotation
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Re: Help With Axis Tilt/Rotation
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2015, 03:35:27 PM »
Try and release as f throwing a back up ball this can minimize over rotation
This idea helps I've tried.

Heres from a post to go along with this.

A bowler was having similar problem with over rotation as you can see here:

This is was part of the reply they got on how to stop it.

"What you have stumbled on is a situation where your conscious and sub-conscious are effectively fighting each other in order to arrive a a mid point, in this case, a proper hand position and rotation.

To explain:

When you bowl normally, (ie rotating too early) it feels, to you, like you ARE behind the ball!. Therefore when you try to stay behind the ball, you are feeling like you are staying behind the ball when you are in fact over rotating.

To fix this you need to feel like you are throwing a back up ball.

What this does is create a conflict between your sub-conscious mind (which is under the erroneous assumption that you are going to send the ball into the right hand gutter) and your conscious mind (which knows you have almost no chance of doing this.) The conflict between the two areas of your mind end up causing your body to find the mid point between over rotating and backing the ball up, ie, staying behind the ball until your thumb exits and then creating the type of rotation you described above.

Putting it simply, to fix a chronic problem, you attempt to make the opposite error and your mind/body almost invariably find the mid point, that being your intended execution. I know it sounds a bit "Mad Scientist Weekly", but it works in the vast majority of cases."


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Re: Help With Axis Tilt/Rotation
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2015, 04:38:58 PM »
If you're practicing or being coached, the end result is a moot point...I've worked with many students in this and during practice the pin count is totally irrelevant...thus practice
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Re: Help With Axis Tilt/Rotation
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2015, 05:25:12 PM »
Are there any tips for increasing tilt (lowering track)? 

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Re: Help With Axis Tilt/Rotation
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2015, 09:14:25 PM »
Are there any tips for increasing tilt (lowering track)? 



Yup, Cock you wrist in the address position. If you, originally,  hold the ball with your palm up and fingers at 6:00 (& thumb originally is at 12:00 roughly) , turn the wrist to the inside and move your fingers to about 3:00/3:30, keeping the rest of your hand where it is. (You're basically bending your rist about 75-90 degrees to the inside.) The thumb will turn towards 9:00. At the release point, more or less come through the ball with the fingers around 6:00/5:30 at the release, at your ankle.
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