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dmonroe814

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Nationals Experience
« on: April 08, 2013, 10:36:29 AM »
Just got back from the nationals.
Got my house to set up national patterns.  Practiced 2 weekends about 20 games.  Had the right equipment, knew where I was going to throw...I was ready.
Figured the line might be a board or two different from my house, so I Spent Team (528) and Doubles (479) trying to find the "Magic" line.
After kicking myself and blowing $200 in bracket money, I gave up.  I just picked a line, and made small adjustments from there, making sure I was executing to the best of my ability.  630 in Singles.  If I had been focusing on execution instead of the Magic line, I probably would have bowled a 1900 instead of 1600.  I had some normal carry issues in singles, but nothing like Team and doubles.
Lanes are a little slicker in Team, but you can probably use the same ball for Team and minors.  Just practice you execution and timing.  Pick a target and go.
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Re: Nationals Experience
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2013, 12:32:43 PM »
Jorge,

I do apologize I didnt know they had a companion team. Jeff mersch is one of my very good friends and when we were talking about his trip he didnt mention a companion team. Last year they had a companion team of dave osullivan, pj haggerty, ronnie sparks, clay herbach (I know I didnt spell that correct) and shawn ryan who used to work the hammer booth. Thisbyear timing and things didnt work out to travel together as a companion team hence why I didnt know if they had another team with then. Last year it was support 1 and support 2.

We arent going out with a companion team. I took the place of shawn ryan on eriks last years companion team so we will see how it goes.

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Re: Nationals Experience
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2013, 01:32:09 PM »
bhs,
    You may very well be correct that they bowled alone this year. I knew they had a companion team last year, and maybe Amanda was the extra doubles bowler, since she was having health issues. If they did do this with only 5 people, then it is even more impressive then the team breaking the record.
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Re: Nationals Experience
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2013, 02:14:31 PM »
By what I can tell amanda was on a companion team. Her doubles scores are in classified division so its safe to say, and in no way trying to criticize or put any team down, that it wasnt a completely stout 10 people. It wasnt like the companion teams from last year thats for sure. Thats why I considered them mostly doing it as a great 5 person team. Either way their bowling is good for 5 or 10 people.

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Re: Nationals Experience
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2013, 03:14:58 PM »
bhs,
    Well I don't know any of them personally, but before her health issues, Amanda was a great bowler....she may have been in classified as her average was low enough as she returned to bowling after surgery (these things I read on the bowl.com article as Erik talked about it the emotions of Amanda retiring from bowling). And that was my point earlier, usually it is better to have a companion team of good competitive bowlers, but it might be better to sacrifice some skill to get bowlers who can match up with your gameplan. AS long as the other team was following the plan, it would allow the "main" team to carve the lanes to their liking and allow them to score well. In either case, it was great bowling. Many teams come in with plans, but can't put together the kind of set that these guys did.
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Re: Nationals Experience
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2013, 03:21:13 PM »
bhs,
    Well I don't know any of them personally, but before her health issues, Amanda was a great bowler....she may have been in classified as her average was low enough as she returned to bowling after surgery (these things I read on the bowl.com article as Erik talked about it the emotions of Amanda retiring from bowling). And that was my point earlier, usually it is better to have a companion team of good competitive bowlers, but it might be better to sacrifice some skill to get bowlers who can match up with your gameplan. AS long as the other team was following the plan, it would allow the "main" team to carve the lanes to their liking and allow them to score well. In either case, it was great bowling. Many teams come in with plans, but can't put together the kind of set that these guys did.

I agree Jorge, most of these groups are willing to sacrifice themselves for the greater good.  I'm pretty sure Riggs has stated that his group splits all winnings between the "team" which i believe he stated that that included brackets as well.  I think I read somewhere that Matt Mcneil was in a similar situation before with splitting all of the winnings, but I could be wrong

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Re: Nationals Experience
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2013, 03:26:58 PM »
Dmonroe,
    I think this is great conversation. You posted what you saw and others have shown that you were spot on with your observations, and from there we have discussions on the actual laneplay and what is needed to improve one's scores, which is the premise of your original post, to impart knowledge from your first hand experience to help others do better. I am no contender for an Eagle. I do hold onto the dream that one day everything will come together for either me, me and partner, or my team and I might have a chance to win an Eagle. I was close to averaging 200 at Nationals for my 12 years there, until the last 2 years where I bowled some of the worst scores of my life. I attribute some of it to poor execution on my part, but some was due to our team not working together. I had 4-5 guys playing inside of me last year, as I tried to play the line Bill Hall suggested was the way to play the lanes. I told everyone that strategy, but some didn't like the look they had there and decided to move in to a more "comfortable" playing area. I had about 4-5 good frames until the oil pushed into my line and my scores started to go down. When I tried to move inside that oil, I hit the dry they had created and go overhook. And if I tried to move deeper, I didn't have the right equipment or surfaces to get a constent corner. I saw first hand what happens when teams do not work together, and I caught the brunt of it with a 450ish team set. Was it all others, no. Some was poor execution on my part as I said, but if we would have worked together, none of us would have had to have been as accurate as we would have created area. I mention this only to show that no matter what skill level you are at, or what age....working together is important for the group as a whole to allow you to bowl as good as you can. For some that is Eagles, for some that is top 100, for others that is just cashing.
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Re: Nationals Experience
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2013, 03:40:46 PM »
Storm,
   You are correct with Riggs' group. He may come on and comment further, but from what I have read in his blogs the bracket winnings are split amoung all 10 bowlers. I believe they pool their monies and enter a few team members into the brackets, then the winnings are pooled and distributed out, probably based on how much each individual put into the total pot. These are just guesses on my part though. I am not sure if the split the tournament winnings too, but it would make sense if they had some sort of split between the two teams. Most of the teams with chances for Eagles, I would think have some sort of arrangement to help out the companion teams, who are usually good bowlers in their own right, just not to the level of the "A" team, as it were. I would assume McNeil and his team are the same way, but don't know for sure.
 
Further on this....this seems like a no brainer....as I said in my last post, my game was affected by choices others made last year. One reason for this was they had money invested in the brackets on themselves (as did I). They wanted to do the best they could in order to get a return on that investment.....and to do that, meant deviating from the way it was thought best to play the lanes. What I think they, and others that do this fail to realize is that by sticking to a plan, you may sacrifice a few pins early, but you create a condition that will allow you to make up those pins and more later on. You create a more playable shot, an easier shot for everyone. They way Riggs' team and others handle this is to remove that factor from the equation. If everyone benefits when the "A" team does well, then everyone will be more committed to follow the plan. Your investment isn't on yourself, as much as it is on the team(s). Without making this step change in thinking, even very good teams won't contend for an Eagle.
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