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xrayjay

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I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« on: October 25, 2016, 04:09:37 PM »
I was looking for a list of coaches in my area, just being curious to who they are.

Then I found this....

http://bowl.com/TheCore/Info/


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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2016, 10:08:14 PM »
Quote from: milorafferty on October 26, 2016, 09:45:29 PM
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Quote from: milorafferty on October 26, 2016, 09:17:15 PM
Bowling seems just fine to me. Thanks for the vote of confidence.

i think the pros bowling for less money than the 1970's and all the bowling proprietors that have closed their doors over the last three decades might have a different opinion. But who knows, maybe you're right lol.

USBC is responsible for professional bowling and individual bowling alleys? Please, at least make a reasonable argument when you whine.

The bowling industry and the sport we're strong when membership was strong. Where are the programs targeted at acquiring and retaining members? The Core is just another example of how out of touch they are with membership. They count on people like you to saying it's only a couple of bucks...we had 6 million members not that long ago and we are around 1 million now so what will it cost when there are 200k members? It's simple math and we are on a linear decline for decades, so yeah I think they are accountable.
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2016, 10:17:39 PM »
So are you also upset with the decline in railroad travel?
 How about switchboard operators?

The reasons for the decline in organized bowling has been researched extensively. However, bowling as an activity is very strong. It's not USBC'S fault that some owners are poor business people. The PBA had a chance to fix their own house, but didn't put in the effort to get the job done. If they want more prize money, then they need to figure out how to promote the sport.

In case you didn't know, the PBA and USBC are not the same thing.
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2016, 11:35:55 PM »
i think the horrible house balls play a factor in low USBC membership during youth.  Bowlers never use a well designed ,cored ball from a good company


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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2016, 07:25:48 AM »
Quote from: milorafferty on October 26, 2016, 10:17:39 PM
So are you also upset with the decline in railroad travel?
 How about switchboard operators?

The reasons for the decline in organized bowling has been researched extensively. However, bowling as an activity is very strong. It's not USBC'S fault that some owners are poor business people. The PBA had a chance to fix their own house, but didn't put in the effort to get the job done. If they want more prize money, then they need to figure out how to promote the sport.

In case you didn't know, the PBA and USBC are not the same thing.

As for the sport side of bowling, fewer members equals fewer viewers resulting in fewer sponsors. The massive decline in membership is a macro trend affecting the entire industry, simple cause and effect. Unlike you, I think the USBC and BPAA, which are basically the same entity run by dinosaurs that have watched the decline happen and done nothing to stem the tide. The USBC is supposed to be a membership organization and a small percentage of that group gives a rats @ss about the PWBA, USBC Tournaments, and Team USA yet that's all they promote. Purely from a business perspective, they make most of their revenue from membership dues so instead of crying about needing a raise due to the decline in dues revenue, maybe they should focused on rebuilding membership. As membership continues to decline, tournament revenue declines so you'll constantly be giving them a dues increase just to "maintain current levels of service" and that will eventually become too expensive for virtually anyone to justify.
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2016, 07:45:16 AM »
Quote from: milorafferty on October 26, 2016, 10:17:39 PM
So are you also upset with the decline in railroad travel?
 How about switchboard operators?

The reasons for the decline in organized bowling has been researched extensively. However, bowling as an activity is very strong. It's not USBC'S fault that some owners are poor business people. The PBA had a chance to fix their own house, but didn't put in the effort to get the job done. If they want more prize money, then they need to figure out how to promote the sport.

In case you didn't know, the PBA and USBC are not the same thing.

Don't waste your time here, Milo. Morpheus has 329 posts on this site, and 320 of them are dedicated to telling you how awful USBC is. According to him, USBC has never, can never, and will never do anything right. Like many, he doesn't do anything to fix the problems, but he's really, really good at telling you whose fault they are. Long story short, there isn't much use getting into it with this guy. His mind is made up, and nothing you say is going to change it.
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2016, 07:49:33 AM »
morpheus, you voted with your wallet this season and didn't buy a sanction card if I remember right?
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #37 on: October 27, 2016, 08:37:05 AM »
Quote from: Gene J Kanak on October 27, 2016, 07:45:16 AM
Quote from: milorafferty on October 26, 2016, 10:17:39 PM
So are you also upset with the decline in railroad travel?
 How about switchboard operators?

The reasons for the decline in organized bowling has been researched extensively. However, bowling as an activity is very strong. It's not USBC'S fault that some owners are poor business people. The PBA had a chance to fix their own house, but didn't put in the effort to get the job done. If they want more prize money, then they need to figure out how to promote the sport.

In case you didn't know, the PBA and USBC are not the same thing.

Don't waste your time here, Milo. Morpheus has 329 posts on this site, and 320 of them are dedicated to telling you how awful USBC is. According to him, USBC has never, can never, and will never do anything right. Like many, he doesn't do anything to fix the problems, but he's really, really good at telling you whose fault they are. Long story short, there isn't much use getting into it with this guy. His mind is made up, and nothing you say is going to change it.

Welcome Gene, feel free to speak in terms of facts rather than emotion and opinion. As unsanctioned leagues grow and USBC membership declines as it has every year for decades, it certainly couldn't hurt to focus on building membership because a future for the sport certainly hasn't made a difference.
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #38 on: October 27, 2016, 09:08:11 AM »
Quote from: morpheus on October 27, 2016, 08:37:05 AM
Quote from: Gene J Kanak on October 27, 2016, 07:45:16 AM
Quote from: milorafferty on October 26, 2016, 10:17:39 PM
So are you also upset with the decline in railroad travel?
 How about switchboard operators?

The reasons for the decline in organized bowling has been researched extensively. However, bowling as an activity is very strong. It's not USBC'S fault that some owners are poor business people. The PBA had a chance to fix their own house, but didn't put in the effort to get the job done. If they want more prize money, then they need to figure out how to promote the sport.

In case you didn't know, the PBA and USBC are not the same thing.

Don't waste your time here, Milo. Morpheus has 329 posts on this site, and 320 of them are dedicated to telling you how awful USBC is. According to him, USBC has never, can never, and will never do anything right. Like many, he doesn't do anything to fix the problems, but he's really, really good at telling you whose fault they are. Long story short, there isn't much use getting into it with this guy. His mind is made up, and nothing you say is going to change it.

Welcome Gene, feel free to speak in terms of facts rather than emotion and opinion. As unsanctioned leagues grow and USBC membership declines as it has every year for decades, it certainly couldn't hurt to focus on building membership because a future for the sport certainly hasn't made a difference.

Then please tell us the solution...or is your solution to just bitch and moan about it?
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #39 on: October 27, 2016, 09:14:43 AM »
is there written statistics that unsanctioned leagues are growing every year?
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #40 on: October 27, 2016, 09:27:11 AM »
Quote from: xrayjay on October 27, 2016, 09:14:43 AM
is there written statistics that unsanctioned leagues are growing every year?

In my little world, I have yet to be involved with any league where the thought of not being sanctioned has been voiced.  The only leagues I know of in my little world that are unsanctioned are leagues where you get something (ball, trip, etc.) and senior leagues. Other than that, all league bowlers here are willing to pay the sanction fee and bowl in sanctioned leagues. 

I have never been one to say the USBC is perfect, but at the same time, there are some who will poo-poo everything they do no matter what. 
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2016, 09:30:55 AM »
Quote from: milorafferty on October 27, 2016, 09:08:11 AM
Quote from: morpheus on October 27, 2016, 08:37:05 AM
Quote from: Gene J Kanak on October 27, 2016, 07:45:16 AM
Quote from: milorafferty on October 26, 2016, 10:17:39 PM
So are you also upset with the decline in railroad travel?
 How about switchboard operators?

The reasons for the decline in organized bowling has been researched extensively. However, bowling as an activity is very strong. It's not USBC'S fault that some owners are poor business people. The PBA had a chance to fix their own house, but didn't put in the effort to get the job done. If they want more prize money, then they need to figure out how to promote the sport.

In case you didn't know, the PBA and USBC are not the same thing.

Don't waste your time here, Milo. Morpheus has 329 posts on this site, and 320 of them are dedicated to telling you how awful USBC is. According to him, USBC has never, can never, and will never do anything right. Like many, he doesn't do anything to fix the problems, but he's really, really good at telling you whose fault they are. Long story short, there isn't much use getting into it with this guy. His mind is made up, and nothing you say is going to change it.

Welcome Gene, feel free to speak in terms of facts rather than emotion and opinion. As unsanctioned leagues grow and USBC membership declines as it has every year for decades, it certainly couldn't hurt to focus on building membership because a future for the sport certainly hasn't made a difference.

Then please tell us the solution...or is your solution to just bitch and moan about it?

I just did...the USBC should focus on growing membership instead of investing in programs that distract from solving the root cause issue. They should be creating and coordinating programs designed to educate our local associations to be more effective at recruiting and retaining members. Teach them how to use social media and run events like clinics and tournaments that keep members of all age/ability engaged. You said bowling seems just fine, I'm not willing to accept straight line declines for decades and neither should you.
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #42 on: October 27, 2016, 09:35:18 AM »
Quote from: morpheus on October 27, 2016, 09:30:55 AM
Quote from: milorafferty on October 27, 2016, 09:08:11 AM
Quote from: morpheus on October 27, 2016, 08:37:05 AM
Quote from: Gene J Kanak on October 27, 2016, 07:45:16 AM
Quote from: milorafferty on October 26, 2016, 10:17:39 PM
So are you also upset with the decline in railroad travel?
 How about switchboard operators?

The reasons for the decline in organized bowling has been researched extensively. However, bowling as an activity is very strong. It's not USBC'S fault that some owners are poor business people. The PBA had a chance to fix their own house, but didn't put in the effort to get the job done. If they want more prize money, then they need to figure out how to promote the sport.

In case you didn't know, the PBA and USBC are not the same thing.

Don't waste your time here, Milo. Morpheus has 329 posts on this site, and 320 of them are dedicated to telling you how awful USBC is. According to him, USBC has never, can never, and will never do anything right. Like many, he doesn't do anything to fix the problems, but he's really, really good at telling you whose fault they are. Long story short, there isn't much use getting into it with this guy. His mind is made up, and nothing you say is going to change it.

Welcome Gene, feel free to speak in terms of facts rather than emotion and opinion. As unsanctioned leagues grow and USBC membership declines as it has every year for decades, it certainly couldn't hurt to focus on building membership because a future for the sport certainly hasn't made a difference.

Then please tell us the solution...or is your solution to just bitch and moan about it?

I just did...the USBC should focus on growing membership instead of investing in programs that distract from solving the root cause issue. They should be creating and coordinating programs designed to educate our local associations to be more effective at recruiting and retaining members. Teach them how to use social media and run events like clinics and tournaments that keep members of all age/ability engaged. You said bowling seems just fine, I'm not willing to accept straight line declines for decades and neither should you.

So when are you going to run for a position on the national board? Are you active in your local association? How about the local youth program?
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2016, 09:54:47 AM »
The same board that is hand picked by the executive director of the USBC. He doesn't surround himself with people that will challenge his ideas, he wants yes men. Which is how you get to where we are today...The Core.
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #44 on: October 27, 2016, 09:57:51 AM »
Quote from: morpheus on October 27, 2016, 09:54:47 AM
The same board that is hand picked by the executive director of the USBC. He doesn't surround himself with people that will challenge his ideas, he wants yes men. Which is how you get to where we are today...The Core.

Ah, so you aren't willing to put the effort into getting anything done yourself. Got it.
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #45 on: October 27, 2016, 09:59:20 AM »
Quote from: morpheus on October 27, 2016, 08:37:05 AM
Quote from: Gene J Kanak on October 27, 2016, 07:45:16 AM
Quote from: milorafferty on October 26, 2016, 10:17:39 PM
So are you also upset with the decline in railroad travel?
 How about switchboard operators?

The reasons for the decline in organized bowling has been researched extensively. However, bowling as an activity is very strong. It's not USBC'S fault that some owners are poor business people. The PBA had a chance to fix their own house, but didn't put in the effort to get the job done. If they want more prize money, then they need to figure out how to promote the sport.

In case you didn't know, the PBA and USBC are not the same thing.

Don't waste your time here, Milo. Morpheus has 329 posts on this site, and 320 of them are dedicated to telling you how awful USBC is. According to him, USBC has never, can never, and will never do anything right. Like many, he doesn't do anything to fix the problems, but he's really, really good at telling you whose fault they are. Long story short, there isn't much use getting into it with this guy. His mind is made up, and nothing you say is going to change it.

Welcome Gene, feel free to speak in terms of facts rather than emotion and opinion. As unsanctioned leagues grow and USBC membership declines as it has every year for decades, it certainly couldn't hurt to focus on building membership because a future for the sport certainly hasn't made a difference.

You and I have gone around and around on these topics before, so there doesn't seem to be much point in doing it all again. I'll just say that I'll give you credit for finally articulating a specific approach to growing membership. In the past, I think you've thrown that phrase around, but I had never actually seen you state exactly how that is to be accomplished. 
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