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lsf_21

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Is Bourbon st the worst house shot ever?
« on: May 15, 2018, 08:21:14 PM »
So I have a question. Our house has put what they say is Bourbon st out this summer. The shot plays super tight to me. Inside and the ball checks super early and goes through the face or Brooklyn. Anything outside of 5 and I am more likely to get 3 than get anywhere near the headpin.

I have tried urethane, weak pearl, strong pearl, weak solid. Have a terrible look with everything.

Is this really bourbon st? And if so why is this a recreational pattern?

 

avabob

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Re: Is Bourbon st the worst house shot ever?
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2018, 01:24:11 PM »
I have never seen a reverse block.  What I have seen is lots of patterns where the oil carries down from second arrow out because most people will try to over play the swing area.  Then when that doesnt work they try to find hold that is not there in the middle.  It is the same reason you see guys hook the ball in the gutter shooting the 4 pin on a flat pattern.  No carrydown in that area yet. 

Swing area is addictive, and the majority of house shots give almost unlimited swing area.  An extra couple of loads 2 to 2 takes away the unlimited swing but is still fairly playable if you play a little straighter.

The term reverse block originally came about in the 70s and refered to a pattern where there seemed to be more oil outside than in the middle because of stripped back ends and the carrydown that immediately resulted as described above. 
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lilpossum1

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Re: Is Bourbon st the worst house shot ever?
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2018, 02:24:27 PM »
Omg this is exactly how the shot is playing in my summer league. On the right side of the lane, anything projected outside of 7 barely wiggles. You might chop off 3 pins or a solitary 10 pin.  Anything outside of 5 is probably going in the gutter. I'm trying to learn left handed, and these characteristics are amplified on that side. Oh, and miss a couple boards inside and it is nose diving or going Brooklyn. If it even hits the head pin. Between my Diesel and Rip'd solid, I can't find the pocket trying to play the track. I don't have enough hand to move inside yet, or a ball that generates enough angle. Considering trying to move and play up the 5 with the Rip'd. How does that work on this type of shot?

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Re: Is Bourbon st the worst house shot ever?
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2018, 02:30:41 PM »
I feel like this thread is going way off course.

Bourbon Street is a tougher house shot (according to ratio), but it’s still a house shot. It should not be much more difficult than your normal house shot, if any. In fact, my home house has such a lousy shot, tournaments they run on Bourbon Street actually play easier (due to better tapering).

If you’re struggling, either:
1. The shot isn’t being put down correctly, which is always possible.
2. You’re using the wrong balls.
3. You’re just not throwing the ball very well.

It seems like you’re trying lots of different equipment, something should’ve rolled fine enough by now. It’s possible a stronger solid will blend the lane better. Otherwise, you’ll have to check with the house to see if they’re putting it down right. As another poster mentioned, it’s possible they aren’t using the drop brush. If that’s not the case, you might have to look at your own release and try to understand why it isn’t matching up to the pattern. Sucks to admit it, but sometimes it’s you.

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Re: Is Bourbon st the worst house shot ever?
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2018, 02:35:46 PM »
. If that’s not the case, you might have to look at your own release and try to understand why it isn’t matching up to the pattern. Sucks to admit it, but sometimes it’s you.

Not enough people realize this. I've run into this a few times because of my low tilt and lower axis rotation where I just don't matchup because everything I throw wants to read the lane instead of push. I've learned now when I run into this that my best shot is lofting which I'm still not great at doing

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Re: Is Bourbon st the worst house shot ever?
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2018, 07:00:51 AM »
The pattern is flat from 14 to 14 and from 8 out.  Trying to play up 5 is sure not the answer.

avabob

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Re: Is Bourbon st the worst house shot ever?
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2018, 08:30:27 AM »
How long is it

SVstar34

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Re: Is Bourbon st the worst house shot ever?
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2018, 08:37:01 AM »

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Re: Is Bourbon st the worst house shot ever?
« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2018, 10:22:31 AM »
It is not a reverse block, it is a short psttern.  I wouldn't call it a recreational pattern however.  You have to square up and move out without going away from the pocket.

That's a lost art these days .... asking the house pro's to do anything besides playing head belly from 15 out is like pulling teeth.

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Re: Is Bourbon st the worst house shot ever?
« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2018, 10:31:23 AM »
OH MY GOD THERE'S OB AND NO HOLD! 
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Re: Is Bourbon st the worst house shot ever?
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2018, 12:14:36 PM »
OH MY GOD THERE'S OB AND NO HOLD!

I've literally seen people go atomic and throw their stuff in a bag and walk out of tournaments for this reason. #DNF

avabob

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Re: Is Bourbon st the worst house shot ever?
« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2018, 02:36:07 PM »
This started in the late 70s.  ABC was so concerned about using oil to steer the ball to the pocket, that they came up with some ill advised lane conditioning rules.  They certainly took away the hold area, but the short oil allowed gir unlimited swing area.  By the time they figured this out and promulgated a rule requiring at least 3 units of oil to the gutter, resin balls were coming in the pretty much made 3 units of oil like nothing.   The result is that  we are now 35 years into an environment that allows unlimited swing area unless you are competing on something other than a pure top hat condition. 

The sad thing is that a little bit of taper is more playable than the THS once you learn to cut the angles down.

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Re: Is Bourbon st the worst house shot ever?
« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2018, 02:59:23 PM »
The sad thing is that a little bit of taper is more playable than the THS once you learn to cut the angles down.

This. I feel like the lower ratio "house shots" are easier. If I remember correctly, Bourbon is around 7.5/1 and Wall Street is around 9/1 while the other kegel rec patterns are over 10/1. In the summer doubles league I've bowled I think I've averaged 235+ on Bourbon and Wall Street.

Kegel lowered the ratios more on the patterns they created for the Flex machines but the only one I've bowled on is the 47' Statue of Liberty challenge pattern and I cashed in a tournament on it

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Re: Is Bourbon st the worst house shot ever?
« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2018, 09:16:36 AM »

The sad thing is that a little bit of taper is more playable than the THS once you learn to cut the angles down.

I agree 100% ... the over/under caused by the mega-walls is minimized.  The problem is the house heros will blow up the middle of the lane by refusing to go straighter.