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michael.willis9

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Light oil ball help?
« on: April 24, 2017, 12:07:03 AM »
I'm not sure if this is in the right section but I don't feel it belongs in any specific brand forum because I'm open to all brands.

I currently have a 2 ball arsenal of a No Rules Pearl and a Dare Devil Trick. I throw about 15.5-16 mph and have medium ball revs. With a normal shot both of my current balls are fantastic but I've been noticing the houses seem to be laying out less oil now and it's turned in to a stand left and throw right shot. It's something I can do but it's not my normal game. I've also been ramping up speed on my ball to make it work but for me, high speed is bad accuracy.

I've looked at the hustle and it's a nice ball, and my PSO suggested it too, but he's a storm roto grip guy. I've always said that unless a company is paying me to throw their stuff then there's no reason to exclusively throw it. If one of the hustles ends up being the best light oil ball for its buck then so be it, but I'm wondering if you guys have good experiences with anything else that I can look into more.

Big criteria for me is good bargain for a quality ball with decent movement.

Thanks in advance

 

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Re: Light oil ball help?
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2017, 03:08:17 PM »
I'm thinking that if you add polish to the Dare Devil Trick, then you're going to make it react more like the No Rules Pearl. The NRP should go long and make a hard left turn and if you polish the DDT, then it would do the same thing. You have two strong balls and I think moving to a Hustle would be a big difference on dryer lanes. If you could pick up a Storm Ride, then I think that would make a difference on dryer lanes as well. I know some balls look better or worse color wise, but I wouldn't let that sway you on picking out a ball.

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Re: Light oil ball help?
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2017, 05:29:35 PM »
The biggest problem you run in to balling down comes if you can't Stay far enough right you are going to lose hit.  My feeling is that you don't ball down From the NRP as long as you can keep the ball in the pocket from deep inside. 




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Re: Light oil ball help?
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2017, 07:52:40 PM »
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Re: Light oil ball help?
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2017, 10:15:19 AM »
As mentioned already, polishing the DDT would put it closer to the NRP, not farther away. Ideally, You start with the trick, then switch to the NRP as you migrate left and need recovery that the DDT can't provide when getting too deep.

Now if you're looking for something on the burn to jump back right, there's been some good low end performance balls mentioned.

My philosophy is ball up to move left, ball down to keep right.
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Re: Light oil ball help?
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2017, 10:37:52 AM »
2 of the last 3 posts are SPOT ON; Its always best to use weaker pieces up the track and straighter, then ball up when the track is burned up and hooking too early, thus needing to find oil to get down lane properly while using the 3 phases properly to maintain entry into the pocket.

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Re: Light oil ball help?
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2017, 02:01:06 PM »
As mentioned already, polishing the DDT would put it closer to the NRP, not farther away. Ideally, You start with the trick, then switch to the NRP as you migrate left and need recovery that the DDT can't provide when getting too deep.

Now if you're looking for something on the burn to jump back right, there's been some good low end performance balls mentioned.

My philosophy is ball up to move left, ball down to keep right.

This is going to sound weird. But in the heaviest of heavy, I have my best success with the DDT. Once it starts breaking down a bit, I have more success with the NRP. From there I can actually transition back to the DDT. The NRP is more ball than the DDT for me, as the lane breaks down I switch from the NRP to the DDT to stay right. It's just I get a better reaction with the DDT on very heavy oil

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« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2017, 02:27:27 PM »
As mentioned already, polishing the DDT would put it closer to the NRP, not farther away. Ideally, You start with the trick, then switch to the NRP as you migrate left and need recovery that the DDT can't provide when getting too deep.

Now if you're looking for something on the burn to jump back right, there's been some good low end performance balls mentioned.

My philosophy is ball up to move left, ball down to keep right.

This is going to sound weird. But in the heaviest of heavy, I have my best success with the DDT. Once it starts breaking down a bit, I have more success with the NRP. From there I can actually transition back to the DDT. The NRP is more ball than the DDT for me, as the lane breaks down I switch from the NRP to the DDT to stay right. It's just I get a better reaction with the DDT on very heavy oil

Makes sense - polished pearl vs solid with surface. DDT should do better than the NRP in oil. When it breaks down and the NRP gets a chance to grab some friction, now it should look like a helluva lot more ball with all that backend movement.
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Re: Light oil ball help?
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2017, 11:39:53 AM »
Exactly. DDT has a slower transition than the NRP - and the original Daredevil. It is stronger front to back, but does not have the back end reaction of the others. Due to core shapes and layouts, my DD actually covers the most boards of the 3 - most of the time anyway. It can depend on the amount of head oil. But generally speaking (house shot anyway - haven't had a change to throw these much on sport yet), I have it this way:

Strongest front to back: DDT, NRP, DD
Fastest transition to the pocket: DD, NRP, DDT

But again, DD and NRP could probably flip spots depending on drilling, surface, and how you throw it. And a polished DDT would likely bring it closer to the NRP. Still should have a different motion though.

As for the topic, as others have said, you will have to decide how much separation you want between those 2 balls and your "light oil" ball. Something in the Hustle line may be a good fit, or you may need to go weaker - like the Tropical Storm. Or you may want to keep things closer and go with something in the Wrecker line or Hy-road line (or similar) from Storm.


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Re: Light oil ball help?
« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2017, 01:22:10 PM »
I know this is a little older ball, but I have been having success with a Storm Super Natural.  It was actually too strong and over/under OOB, so I took it down to 360 then, step by step, all the way up to 4000 and topped it off with some polish and it's been great for me.  Super even rolling, no over/under reaction, which was, from what I hear, problematic with this ball for many users, but right now, this has been my go-to ball on these light oil conditions.   8)