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billdozer

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Low flare question
« on: February 23, 2018, 01:25:08 PM »
I punched up a ball intended to have a low flare potential.

Finally threw it last night and got probably be 2" of flare, tops.  If I really hit up on it, maybe 3". Rolled "decent" after 3 league games on the broken down THS. But I wanna know when is the right time for this ball.

...I've never really had an intended drilling, or ball with the intention of "low flare."

Question:  In your past experiences, when has low flare been the ball of choice for you, when you have scored well with it.

(Most of my stuff flares a good 5-7+ inches)

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Re: Low flare question
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2018, 04:57:41 PM »
Agree.  Made a ton of money with a couple of 2 inch pin layouts over the years.  Even had some luck getting as deep as 15, because the back ends were still flying on HPL as I moved in

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Re: Low flare question
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2018, 07:05:27 PM »
Lower flare works when you need a less drastic change in direction,

Not necessarily true.
Low flare will make for less of a backend, but the backend can be just as sharp, just a flippy as a larger flaring core.

The sharpness of the backend, its flippiness, is more dependent on the bowler and the coverstock's characteristics and the oil pattern/amount, not so much on the amount of flare.

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but you have to know when to ball up. I've had several balls with 2inch pins from pap, and while they were great going up the lane, getting in and wheeling on it wasn't the best plan of attack.

2" pin-PAPs will also reduce the drilled RG, making the ball hook earlier, while reducing the amount of backend. So you won't be able to play as deep as with a 3.5-4.5" pin-PAP - so, agreed.
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Re: Low flare question
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2018, 09:49:43 AM »
I don't use low flaring layouts on real long patterns or on a lot of carry down.  When I do use it it stands up early  but with a hard change of direction.  I get a sharp move while staying behind the ball

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Re: Low flare question
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2018, 10:30:45 AM »
Well, it also matters what your Val angle is. 2*30 is going to behave different from 2*65. I had a Money with a 1 inch pin, and the Val angle was probably about 70 with a hole on the PAP.  You want to smooth out a house shot, do that. Strong particle cover, stable drilling.

Hmm... Maybe I should do that on an Absolute truth.

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Re: Low flare question
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2018, 12:19:33 PM »
My hole concept was, "oh boy it's an assym low diff like the zero gravity? Is that gonna be like the iq tour?" Hopefully.


Then I punched it, and finally threw it, and saw the actual flare on the ball. And now my thought process is, "where is this actually gonna fit?"

So far it's weaker than my iq tour...which is impressive...I am intrigued that I could possibly be able to "load up" on the ball late in blocks or on broken down conditions.
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Re: Low flare question
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2018, 07:48:17 PM »
I always had the best luck using a short pin and basically using a 2x2 layout with an axis hole to give a legal static weight.  Works best for me on symmetrical solids without a lot of surface

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Re: Low flare question
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2018, 11:43:29 PM »
My whole concept was, "oh boy it's an assym low diff like the zero gravity? Is that gonna be like the iq tour?" Hopefully.


Then I punched it, and finally threw it, and saw the actual flare on the ball. And now my thought process is, "where is this actually gonna fit?"

So far it's weaker than my iq tour...which is impressive...I am intrigued that I could possibly be able to "load up" on the ball late in blocks or on broken down conditions.
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