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xrayjay

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more hooking balls are coming right?
« on: October 07, 2015, 01:44:26 PM »
why?

I always wondered why the next release out hooks the other release that is just a little over a year old - or less. but I wasn't so sure about what I had assumed till I had a chat with a BR legend and someone who was involved in the industry. And I was somewhat right.

Not much has changed when it comes with playing conditions, especially at the house I bowl. and I'm pretty sure hundreds of houses across the country haven't changed much too. It takes years for some houses to change surface and/or machines, or conditions/pattern/oil.

But, every new release in the HP level always seem to hook more - or does it really? are bowlers being suckered into buying another NIB?

It's been a couple of years that I figured out that I don't need to fill my bags with more NIB's. Or buy an HP ball. I own 6 or seven balls (two NIB) and I only use 3 at the most. The others are "just to try" balls.

But this country always wants more and more, go bigger and bigger, and so I guess it's a good thing for bowling companies and small shops. At the same time, isn't their a peak to bowling ball technology?? if conditions don't change much, what else can bowling ball engineers do?

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Re: more hooking balls are coming right?
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2015, 10:34:01 PM »
Juggernaut, the bowling ball makers are no different than many other industries. I do a lot of freshwater fishing in addition to bowling. The kinds of fishing lines have exploded in recent years: braided lines, fluorocarbons lines, and super lines like "Fireline." For my money, there is no substitute for a good monofilament line like DuPont Stren. It is not as sexy as the other products, but Stren is much cheaper, more versatile, and actually more effective.

A lot of guys here play golf. The same principles apply.
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Re: more hooking balls are coming right?
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2015, 11:54:13 PM »
Did Someone here say something like....

"Hybrid" covers is just another ploy to get bowlers to buy balls...???
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Re: more hooking balls are coming right?
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2015, 06:01:11 AM »
I get a ball for need not want anymore. A few years ago, I bought numerous pieces, and only used a couple.

Do I need the next hook monster? No, do I still want one: YES! Will I get one - NO.

Lower tiered pieces have proven to be winning for me.

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Re: more hooking balls are coming right?
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2015, 08:29:57 AM »
I think the hook monsters fit the young guys with tons of revs and lots of ball speed. Their "A" game is grip it and rip it, so they can go full out and know the balls is always going to make it back. Since a lot of the high rev guys seem to have more forward roll than in the past, the ball doesn't go side ways when it sniffs the dry. The two kinds of people I see  throwing these balls are the people who don't know better and the guys with 500 rpm and 19-20 mph ball speed.

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Re: more hooking balls are coming right?
« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2015, 09:25:02 AM »
Juggernaut, the bowling ball makers are no different than many other industries. I do a lot of freshwater fishing in addition to bowling. The kinds of fishing lines have exploded in recent years: braided lines, fluorocarbons lines, and super lines like "Fireline." For my money, there is no substitute for a good monofilament line like DuPont Stren. It is not as sexy as the other products, but Stren is much cheaper, more versatile, and actually more effective.

A lot of guys here play golf. The same principles apply.

 I know. There are many examples of things like this. Even those who actually started out with good intentions, but got lost somewhere along the way.

 I will give away the fact that, when looking at a "regular" old rubber ball, there was a lot of room for "improvement", and I mean the kind that actually IMPROVED the product.

 But, the question is, when did it stop being change for actual improvement, and become change just for changes sake? Just for a way to move more product?

 It is my OPINION that we reached that point in the mid to late 1980's. Somewhere after that era in time, it became a game of trying to replace physical abilities (or rather, the lack of physical abilities) with equipment designed to "level the playing field".  By supplying the lowest common denominator with equipment that allows them to overcome skills it took
others many years to acquire, they basically negated all the hard work and practice that thousands of bowlers spent thousands of dollars and hours to learn.

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Re: more hooking balls are coming right?
« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2015, 09:55:36 AM »
I think the hook monsters fit the young guys with tons of revs and lots of ball speed. Their "A" game is grip it and rip it, so they can go full out and know the balls is always going to make it back. Since a lot of the high rev guys seem to have more forward roll than in the past, the ball doesn't go side ways when it sniffs the dry. The two kinds of people I see  throwing these balls are the people who don't know better and the guys with 500 rpm and 19-20 mph ball speed.

 
Last year, we had a PBA national tour player in our scratch league. He fit the mold of high revs with more forward roll. He mostly used aggressive symmetric equipment with some surface and kept the ball just inside the oil line of our THS puddle. He averaged 240+, so it didn't work out too bad for him.
 
You'll also see a lot of the higher end equipment on the fresh longer PBA patterns. Regardless of ball, it's not a surprise to see guys prep their equipment with by hand with 500 Abralon in the paddock room before morning squad competition.
 
It's not that "hook monsters" are useless, it's that they're mostly used improperly by Joe bowler.  In most cases on a league THS, a strong pearl is all that's needed to get the job done if you play the drier outside boards correctly.     

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Re: more hooking balls are coming right?
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2015, 10:33:06 AM »
Steven,  Good point, but don't forget, young bowlers want to look cool.  You don't look cool, covering 7 boards.   ;D

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Re: more hooking balls are coming right?
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2015, 01:35:15 PM »
Steven,  Good point, but don't forget, young bowlers want to look cool.  You don't look cool, covering 7 boards.   ;D

Say it isn't so.  My seven board hook doesn't look cool?

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Re: more hooking balls are coming right?
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2015, 01:38:43 PM »
Steven,  Good point, but don't forget, young bowlers want to look cool.  You don't look cool, covering 7 boards.   ;D

Say it isn't so.  My seven board hook doesn't look cool?

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Sorry, but chicks dig the big hook.  :o
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Re: more hooking balls are coming right?
« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2015, 02:02:38 PM »
Steven,  Good point, but don't forget, young bowlers want to look cool.  You don't look cool, covering 7 boards.   ;D

Say it isn't so.  My seven board hook doesn't look cool?

 :)


Sorry, but chicks dig the big hook.  :o

Well, that explains that!

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Re: more hooking balls are coming right?
« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2015, 02:07:17 PM »
Steven,  Good point, but don't forget, young bowlers want to look cool.  You don't look cool, covering 7 boards.   ;D

Say it isn't so.  My seven board hook doesn't look cool?

 :)


Sorry, but chicks dig the big hook.  :o

Well, that explains that!

:)


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Re: more hooking balls are coming right?
« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2015, 05:20:53 PM »
I see old ppl (retired guys) at my center buying the big hook guns, take a big step left and suffendly they are not making the ball come back, if they do, weak tens all over the game, people gotta know where is your confort zone in the lane and how deep you can get before you get frustrated, spend 180 for the new release and use it jsut a couple of times before you get tired of I cant use this ball, not a smart move..

Rather use my rocket and stay as left (LH here) as I can before I need to move inside 3rd arrow than use hook monster and be 3rd arrow from game 1 and have to play 5th arrow for game 3 and start loosing pin carry

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Re: more hooking balls are coming right?
« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2015, 11:15:51 AM »
The change in lane surfaces in the late 60's precipitated the constant advancements in ball technology.  Prior to the introduction of super hare epoxy urethane lane finish the hard rubber ball was just as good as the polyester balls that had been around for 10 years.  Bowlers quickly discovered that the softer polyester shells reacted better than hard rubber on the new lane finishes, and the race was on.  It has always been about finding friction at the right place on the lane.  When the friction factor of the lanes changed, manufacturers started finding ball surface material with different friction factors.  The introduction of resin additive in the early 90's was revolutionary because, for the first time friction off the dry was increased without increasing friction in the oil.  There really has been nothing revolutionary since then.  Advancements in core technology have had a much smaller impact on the game.