Author Topic: MOTION hole believers? (Read 9228 times)

2handedrook12 · « **on:** March 30, 2015, 11:09:08 PM »

Anyone believe in the MO hole?

DP3 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 30, 2015, 11:29:36 PM »

Not as much as I believe I'm a reactive ball will hook more in the backend when you're able to increase the RG and differential with a carefully placed extra hole. ......I guess I do believe in it then. Doesn't make it a great idea though.

catman70us · « **Reply #2 on:** March 30, 2015, 11:30:41 PM »

They do work, when done correctly. I did one on a wrecker, and it turned it into a monster on back with great length. I usally use it when I need more length later on a block.

gradilonec · « **Reply #3 on:** March 31, 2015, 05:31:09 AM »

It deff works...turned my retired iq tour into a great ball again..added some polish and it increased the backend even more.

charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** March 31, 2015, 07:16:19 AM »

Quote from: 2handedrook12 on March 30, 2015, 11:09:08 PM

Anyone believe in the MO hole?

This is not religion; it's physics, the real world.

TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 31, 2015, 07:25:08 AM »

You know the irony of the MO hole? Years ago when he came out with the Awesome Hook and Seek and Destroy; he mentioned that he didn't understand why people want such skid/flip reactions unless they like shooting at back row pins all night. Now he comes out with a hole that increases the skid/flip reaction. Years ago you had to have the midlane read in order to have a high carry percentage and skid/flip would result in a lower carry percentage. So wonder why he would come out with something that increases the angularity and entry angle.

But to answer your question; yes it does work. My pro shop guy did an LT-48 with one and he said he saw about 2-3 boards more hook on the backend.

charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** March 31, 2015, 07:34:43 AM »

Quote from: TWOHAND834 on March 31, 2015, 07:25:08 AM

You know the irony of the MO hole? Years ago when he came out with the Awesome Hook and Seek and Destroy; he mentioned that he didn't understand why people want such skid/flip reactions unless they like shooting at back row pins all night. Now he comes out with a hole that increases the skid/flip reaction. Years ago you had to have the midlane read in order to have a high carry percentage and skid/flip would result in a lower carry percentage. So wonder why he would come out with something that increases the angularity and entry angle.

My guess: 95% of the people today have 20 mph ball speed and 100 rpms. They need weight holes like this.

avabob · « **Reply #7 on:** March 31, 2015, 10:45:12 AM »

Not sure I know what the definition of a motion hole is. Is it any hole that is used to impact ball reaction, not needed for static balance rules. Is it a hole designed to increase flare, but not a hole used to decrease flare ( axis holes for example ).

I always lay out my equipment so that I can use a hole to impact the hook shape without making the ball illegal. Prior to the strong asymmetric I often used a hole in the lower quadrant 3 inches from my axis for balls that I wanted to use from deep angles. I more commonly use axis holes to smooth off the reaction of balls, and still often do that with my symmetric arsenal ( my IQ tour became even more versatile with an axis hole ).

Nothing in my current arsenal has a balance hole other than my IQ tour. I also only have one asymmetric in my arsenal ( black widow legend ). I bowl mostly on tournament patterns, and don't really want any so called motion holes.

JohnP · « **Reply #8 on:** March 31, 2015, 05:42:53 PM »

http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/index.php?title=File:MOtion_Hole_Symmetrical_Instructions.pdf

Go to the .pdf and read the instructions, then watch the video, then read the instructions again. Note that the Motion Hole is recommended only for symmetrical balls. -- JohnP

avabob · « **Reply #9 on:** April 01, 2015, 01:49:43 PM »

Bottom line, extra holes can and do impact the shape of the ball reaction depending on where they are placed. This is true on symmetrical balls, not so much on asymmetrical balls.

Wags300 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 01, 2015, 02:06:52 PM »

I tried it once on a Tropical Heat Blue/Purple solid and it was excellent for playing deep inside or when the lanes had alot of down lane friction and I just needed alittle extra to get the 10 pin out. I put the largest weight hole you could use as a motion hole. It really was an excellent combination of ball and layout/motion hole for what I used it for. I stopped using 16lb balls and got rid of it. Should revisit the layout sooner than later.

bltbyj · « **Reply #11 on:** April 01, 2015, 02:35:00 PM »

Quote from: JohnP on March 31, 2015, 05:42:53 PM

http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/index.php?title=File:MOtion_Hole_Symmetrical_Instructions.pdf

Go to the .pdf and read the instructions, then watch the video, then read the instructions again. Note that the Motion Hole is recommended only for symmetrical balls. -- JohnP
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Quote from: JohnP on March 31, 2015, 05:42:53 PM
http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/index.php?title=File:MOtion_Hole_Symmetrical_Instructions.pdf

Go to the .pdf and read the instructions, then watch the video, then read the instructions again. Note that the Motion Hole is recommended only for symmetrical balls. -- JohnP

What? It does not say recommended only for symmetrical balls. In the instructions it even gives you the measurements one is 10" from pin (symmetric) and 11" from pin (Assymetric). I did this on a Assymetric ball and it was just fine.

Wags300 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 01, 2015, 03:16:24 PM »

There was a whole thread on bowling chat that Mo was involved in and after some research he suggested to no longer do motion holes on asymmetrical balls. He wanted to do more research on them and the hole before publishing final guide lines. I think in the end the motion hole on the asymmetrical ball was determined not as effective as other layouts for that particular type of ball.

kotm · « **Reply #13 on:** April 01, 2015, 03:23:45 PM »

Quote from: bltbyj on April 01, 2015, 02:35:00 PM

Quote from: JohnP on March 31, 2015, 05:42:53 PM
http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/index.php?title=File:MOtion_Hole_Symmetrical_Instructions.pdf

Go to the .pdf and read the instructions, then watch the video, then read the instructions again. Note that the Motion Hole is recommended only for symmetrical balls. -- JohnP
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Quote from: JohnP on March 31, 2015, 05:42:53 PM
http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/index.php?title=File:MOtion_Hole_Symmetrical_Instructions.pdf

Go to the .pdf and read the instructions, then watch the video, then read the instructions again. Note that the Motion Hole is recommended only for symmetrical balls. -- JohnP

What? It does not say recommended only for symmetrical balls. In the instructions it even gives you the measurements one is 10" from pin (symmetric) and 11" from pin (Assymetric). I did this on a Assymetric ball and it was just fine.

There was a whole thread on bowling chat that Mo was involved in and after some research he suggested to no longer do motion holes on asymmetrical balls. He wanted to do more research on them and the hole before publishing final guide lines. I think in the end the motion hole on the asymmetrical ball was determined not as effective as other layouts for that particular type of ball.

The motion hole will work on an asymmetrical core, the difficulty comes in getting an asymmetric ball to be statically legal after drilling with a complimentary pin and psa placement for any given player.

J_w73 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 01, 2015, 04:57:02 PM »

This will probably cause some controversy because it kind of goes back to the realm of static weights but I did some testing on Blueprint and found that it did increase the back end reaction and continuation. The thing I found is that the "hole" itself didn't really have an effect. It was more about the top weight and having the ball flare an amount so that the top weight would essentially be on the side of the ball when it got toward the end of the lane. The motion hole creates added top weight. I did testing with balls with the motion hole creating 3 oz of top weight and a ball without a motion hole, with high top weight that resulted in 3 oz of top weight after the gripping holes were drilled. The results were similar with both balls. That 3 oz of top weight goes to the side of the ball and results in about a 2 degree increase in entry angle and 2 -3 more boards on the backend. Of course the results may vary based on your ball, surface,speed, rotation and RPMs.

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2handedrook12

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