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TeeP Nade

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need help lane patterns
« on: April 20, 2017, 11:51:40 AM »
gonna be bowling on sports shots this summer and need all the help i can get. everything from layouts/surface prep for each pattern to ball coverstock type thats best for the pattern. i'm a high speed high rev bowler errant shots tend to be more speed dominant shots.
pattern list is as follows:
•PBA EARL ANTHONY
•2016 USBC MASTERS
•CHAMELEON
• DICK WEBER
•CHEETAH
•"CUSTOM 45' SHOT"
•BADGER
•SHARK
•VIPER
•WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS
•MARK ROTH
•BEAR
•WOLF
•SCORPION

current arsenal is a pin above middle finger venom shock cg kicked out inch and a half from midline. and a track heat sanded at 3k pin above the bridge cg kicked out also and a track 300t pin above ring cg in center of palm(not sure of the exact dual angle layouts as i'm not by the pro shop. my PAP is 4 13/16 over and 1 1/8 up. low track so not sure what that translates in terms of tilt. i have a couple undrilled balls i plan on drilling for these patterns. a track cyborg pearl,track heat xtreme, columbia 300 swerve gt, and a motive octane carbon im aware of the rule of -31(where u take pattern distance -31 and that'll get u a general breakpoint. any help is much appreciated also i believe they have a kegel machine. not sure what the difference between machines is though between kegel and brunswick.
Any help anyone can provide is much appreciated.
« Last Edit: April 20, 2017, 11:56:30 AM by TeeP Nade »

 

avabob

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Re: need help lane patterns
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2017, 01:28:02 PM »
Not sure there is any advice that can prepare you for this wide range if patterns.  Certainly no formula.  Best advice is to work on finding ways to square up an cut down out angle through the heads.  You won't be able to find a ball or shell prep that will give you the kind of swing area you are accustomed to. 

As for the patterns themselves the length is the most important element.  There are several on the list in the 45 47 foot range.  General approach will be similar.  Same with shorter patterns in the 35 37 foot range. 

TeeP Nade

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Re: need help lane patterns
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2017, 01:30:26 PM »
yea i just threw all the patterns out thir incase people have bowled on them and can give me their input even if it were only on 1-2 of the shots

ignitebowling

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Re: need help lane patterns
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2017, 09:10:23 PM »
Plastic ball to use on almost all of your spares.
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AlonzoHarris

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Re: need help lane patterns
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2017, 10:15:17 AM »
About the same as what's already been said. Plastic or a urethane ball for spares. Don't try to hook at all your spares like people tend to do on a THS. Long patterns, play in keeping the breakpoint close to the pocket, don't give the pocket away swinging wide. Short patterns, play out and let the natural friction bring the ball back to the pocket.

Personally I would drill the Cyborg Pearl as my late game, open the pattern ball. Looks like between the Venom Shock, Heat Xtreme, and Swerve GT you have some balls that roll off the pattern more so than skid flip.

I would make the Swerve GT that pin down big ball asym.

I feel like the Shock and Heat Xtreme will be quite similar so maybe a different layout to give some separation.

This is how I would approach the situation from what you have, it could vary for you though so take it as it is.
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Blockbuster Bowling

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Re: need help lane patterns
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2017, 06:19:51 PM »
Whatever the length of the pattern minus 31 will give you approximately where
the ball has to to be at the break for optimum entry angle.

38 foot pattern minus 31 puts the break around 7

45 foot pattern minus 31 put the break around 14

Otherwise shorter patterns you play out and longer patterns you play in

The volume of pattern will dictate what ball / coverstock combination  to use

The main thing is where other bowlers play and what type of equipment they use on that pattern as they can destroy whatever was put out pretty quick and you may be out to lunch.


mainzer

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Re: need help lane patterns
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2017, 11:26:13 PM »
Make your spares
Start in the track throw a few shots and ADJUST!
make your spares
Sometimes you might need to move right for less hook.
Make your spares
Speed and release needs to be consistent
Make your spares
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Re: need help lane patterns
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2017, 05:16:30 AM »
Making spares. good advice, but I guess that can be expanded on rather than telling someone to make their spares.

Some general things I've learned from sport shot league and spare shooting:

1) If you are putting some hook on ball, you may be using the house shot to help with many 10 (7) pin leaves. On house shot you can throw the ball into gutter and it'll come back and you knock out corner pin and if you pull it, it's in the oil. On sport shot, if you use reactive ball, throw it into gutter and expect it too hook into 10 pin, it's in gutter. Except on short oil, you'll miss left.

So don't practice spare pin shooting as it's a house shot. You have to either be very good at killing hook, or just go with plastic/urethane. Unless you are very good at killing your hook, you need a spare ball.

2) It doesn't matter how good you are at spare shooting if you are leaving 2- 3 splits a game and then some multi-pin spares. On the house shot you are trying to get better carry in the pocket. For sport shot, you just need to get back to the pocket - try not to give pocket away. It's very easy to leave washouts if you get the ball too far outside.

half of spare shooting on sport shot is just leaving easy spares to pick up.


Other thing, should go without saying, but have seen people make this mistake, don't make house shot adjustments.
For example, on a 40 foot pattern, if you target 10th board and it comes a little high, a typical move would be inside and target 12th board. Don't do that on sport shot, you'll cross over. Instead would be better to move everything right and target 8th board.

For most people starting out on a sport shot, it's not going to be about the minutiae of how to play each pattern for max carry. It's going to be about basic adjustments,  keeping it in the pocket and making good shots.

For shorter patters, they are actually easy, but need to be used to playing outside. I've found it helps to practice on house shot with plastic over 4 or 5 board, and then in league you'll be used to doing that.

I think carry is actually better than on house shot, as long as you get it into pocket.

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Re: need help lane patterns
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2017, 07:52:48 AM »
Make your spares
Start in the track throw a few shots and ADJUST!
make your spares
Sometimes you might need to move right for less hook.
Make your spares
Speed and release needs to be consistent
Make your spares


+1000 on the above
there is no "magic" ball for sport conditions.
there are certain ones with the proper surface that may "match up" better in certain lane conditions.
nothing beats solid fundamentals, that's where I would start if you truly want to get better in this game.
Find a good coach, get yourself on video, than its time to practice.
Sport patterns can be a rude awakening for some and then they go back to the house shot because its easier, they don't want to take the time and effort to do what it takes to become better.
Myself, I was bored with the house conditions and wanted to get better.
It's frustrating and enjoyable at the same time.
I get much more satisfaction shooting 600 on a tough sport pattern than 700 on the house china

avabob

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Re: need help lane patterns
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2017, 12:07:01 PM »
Bowling rebel makes a bunch of good suggestions.  The biggest thing to consider is what type of game you have on a THS.  If you are a high rev high axis rotation player there really isn't much you are going to be able to do to prepare in the short run except follow the spare shooting suggestions.  If you are a straighter player already just getting better at squaring up and be willing to try different parts of the lane will help.