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Need to Vent
« on: June 26, 2016, 05:48:43 PM »
OK so Just bowled a tournament on Kegel's winding road. Had a less than spectacular outing avg 182 for the 6 games. Now what's frustrating is I saw the correct line and when executed results were phenomenal. Problem is i would miss my target down lane almost every shot. I knew what to do but couldn't do it! I can see my avg 227 on house conditions hides the imperfections in one's game but how do I practice when there isn't much access to tougher shots.  >:(


 

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Re: Need to Vent
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2016, 05:56:47 PM »
that's me too! 

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Re: Need to Vent
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2016, 06:41:42 PM »
Similar deal happened to me from changing houses for league. 25 pin avg drop going from a house with a lighter shot in wood to a heavier shot on synthetics. That and it is a challenge league so we change pairs every game.

It's definitely helping me improve my game. I feel we get too complacent and changing patterns, lane surface, and houses helps keep us on our game.
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Re: Need to Vent
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2016, 06:50:10 PM »
I have this same exact problem every week it seems...I always think I'm lined up and hitting great but I have trouble with carry it seems...I see people striking on way worse shots than I'm throwing stone 10s on...it does get frustrating after awhile

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Re: Need to Vent
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2016, 07:03:31 PM »
On house shots I look downlane to see where my ball picks up in the back. On tougher shots, I move my target closer to me. I worry more about getting my ball through the correct line in its entirety, not just to the spot downlane

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Re: Need to Vent
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2016, 07:12:40 PM »
OK so Just bowled a tournament on Kegel's winding road. Had a less than spectacular outing avg 182 for the 6 games. Now what's frustrating is I saw the correct line and when executed results were phenomenal. Problem is i would miss my target down lane almost every shot. I knew what to do but couldn't do it! I can see my avg 227 on house conditions hides the imperfections in one's game but how do I practice when there isn't much access to tougher shots.  >:(


The simple bottom line is that unless you have access to a flat oil pattern, your ball reaction is never going to provide the visual feedback you seem to need.

That said, you need to practice better. You need to see when you hit your target and, if you hit your target, then if you are hitting your chosen breakpoint. Then if you do all that, you need to know, from feel (or from video), whether you did two other things correctly: 1, did you throw it with the same ball speed, and 2, did you throw it with the same release.

To my mind, those are the 4 major parts essential for correct bowling execution on hard, PBA-type of patterns.

You have to be able to see or know when you hit your two target: actual target at the  arrows (or wherever) and the breakpoint, 40 - 45 feet down lane.
You must be able to feel and know when you've thrown the ball with the same consistent ball speed and to feel when you've thrown it with the same starting hand position (same swing plane and same swing height also enter the picture here)  and ending hand position.

If you don't know those from the feel, you need to have someone take pictures of your bowling; so you can recognize how it feels as you execute.
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Re: Need to Vent
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2016, 09:30:11 PM »
Yes it is hard to find an alley to put down tougher shots just for people to come practice on.  Only alleys I see do that are in Vegas.  One of the alleys there (can't remember which one) put down 4 different patterns at the same time (one week night) for bowlers to practice on.  It was awesome for the 1 week I was there.

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Re: Need to Vent
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2016, 11:34:17 PM »
There are 2 places in the Buffalo area that I know will do it.  1 of them being a place my PSO owns.  But finding a place to do it is tough. 

I will second the advice that charlest mentioned.  He nailed it.
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Re: Need to Vent
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2016, 08:07:35 AM »
To add on to charlest's excellent post, you have two distinct areas of being competitive on sport shots.  1.  Being able to throw the ball accurately and consistently (like charlest said), and 2. being knowledgeable of the shot at hand and knowing how to score on said shot.

It sounds like you had number 2 down.  You knew where to throw the ball and when you did everything right, you scored.  And if you didn't know how to score on the shot, then practicing on sport shots (or competing on them) is really the only way to improve.

You are having problems with number 1.  Good news is you don't have to bowl on sport shots to be a more accurate and consistent bowler.  I would suggest working on your approach and arm swing to become more accurate.  Use a plastic ball and target your expected part of the lane in the process.  Then, when you actually bowl on sport shots, you will hopefully be more accurate and be able to score.  And of course, good coaching and video analysis is very helpful.

Now, if you aren't scoring when you throw the ball correctly or where you want to, then you will need to practice on or compete on sport shots to improve your knowledge of how to attack them.  This includes knowledge of how each of your balls reacts on each differing shot.

And one last thing.  Every ball in your bag can strike on any shot laid out on the lane.  The real challenge is picking the ball that gives you the best chance to score your highest.  For some, that will be the ball that strikes the most.  For others, it could be the ball that leaves a flat ten every ball leading to a 190 all spare game.  Don't get caught up on only getting strikes.  I would hate to have a situation where I get 6-7 strikes a game and have opens the other frames because if I miss by a fraction I get horrific results.  Being able to leave makeable spares is also important.

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Re: Need to Vent
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2016, 09:41:28 AM »
Some good advice on targeting but there is more to bowling than hitting your target.  You need to be able to repeat speed and release otherwise hitting your target still won't get you results. For instance, I get anxious on some patterns and turn the ball early.  If I turn the ball early, it will read early and never reach the intended target down lane.

You also need to be aware of launch angle at release and make sure you end up in a spot at the foul line that allows you to hit your target consistently. 

As for practicing with plastic or Urethane.  Do so only if you have the discipline to not try to hit it harder to get it to react like your other equipment.  I prefer to play with balls that have lost reaction and play away from the funnel so that I get better feedback on my shots. 

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Re: Need to Vent
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2016, 10:26:18 AM »
You also need to be aware of launch angle at release and make sure you end up in a spot at the foul line that allows you to hit your target consistently

Just adding a little bit more to this. We tend to forget about foot work and think we step the same way every time. Unfortunately it is real easy to start drifting a direction and not even know it.

Keep track of your end foot results at the foul line during practice. Not saying you have to be exact on the same spot, but as we all know closer is better.

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Re: Need to Vent
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2016, 10:54:43 AM »
Some good advice on targeting but there is more to bowling than hitting your target.  You need to be able to repeat speed and release otherwise hitting your target still won't get you results. For instance, I get anxious on some patterns and turn the ball early.  If I turn the ball early, it will read early and never reach the intended target down lane.

Agree and I should have been clearer when I stated accurate and consistent where being consistent to me also includes the physical side of the game.

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As for practicing with plastic or Urethane.  Do so only if you have the discipline to not try to hit it harder to get it to react like your other equipment.  I prefer to play with balls that have lost reaction and play away from the funnel so that I get better feedback on my shots.

However, as the OP stated, he is having trouble getting sport shot conditions to practice on.  We all know there is a significant difference between THS and sport conditions.  Practicing on THS or beat up THS is not the same as practicing on sport.  Whatever reaction you are seeing in your used up equipment will not translate properly when you move to sport.  My contention to using plastic on a line one would use for sport has no chance of getting to the pocket.  Yes, some bowlers will still try, but if you are playing away from the pocket with plastic, you will not be close to the pocket.  It is a drill.  Not bowling.  Hopefully bowlers understand that.

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Re: Need to Vent
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2016, 11:25:44 AM »
My point is bowling is not darts.  It isn't about hitting a target alone.  For most people, plastic/urethane isn't going to provide the visual feedback a player would expect.  Also, a ball that isn't grabbing the lane at all is pretty easy to get to target compared to a ball that is going to get into a roll much sooner.  That is why I think it is more useful to use older/dead balls than plastic.  But that's me...

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Re: Need to Vent
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2016, 12:59:53 PM »
I understand your philosophy.  For me personally, I don't view what the ball does after it hits the lane as any justification of how well or how accurately I threw the ball.  I can only control the physical aspect of throwing the ball and plastic provides that feedback quite well. 

Now if you are considering how the ball gets to the end of the lane, then I can see your point more.  I realize that if I am looking at some spot at 40 feet plus down the lane, then yes, plastic will not provide the same feedback as a ball with more reaction.  But if I am trying to practice playing outside 5 for short sport patterns, then using plastic is as good as any.  Also, I can practice the launch angle needed to play deep with plastic with the understanding the ball will most likely go in the gutter.

Agree to say nothing can prepare a bowler to bowl on sport shots more than actually bowling on sport shots?

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Re: Need to Vent
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2016, 08:01:55 AM »
All this feedback is great and very insightful. And I put this too the test in league last night. The shot was easily scoreable however I decided to play a part of the lane that gave me a very small margin of error (shots far right it hangs and tugs inside ran) so Game 1 had potential for an easy 240 but fanned 2 shots right leaving nasty washouts shot 214. Game 2 the execution was there great leverage hitting targets 227 a few blow out 10 pins. Now game 3 all hell breaks loose missed in and every time left some multi pin combination followed up with misses right. Now I could of fix this real easy with a ball change but I wanted to know how often I'm missing or releasing the ball different. Last night showed a lot. Mental game is solid and I a read a lane with no problem. The execution needs work. Thanks for all the tips everyone!