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xrayjay

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no buffer lanes next season and more....
« on: April 21, 2017, 11:00:56 AM »
With all the break downs we had this season and having to wait long several times because the mechanic was on lunch break - now we were told that next season there will be no buffer lanes, plus increased lineage and increased USBC (I don't mind the increase), the next meeting will be interesting.

1. the league will vote to move to a private house. AMF has poor service and too many mechanical failures with low staffing.

2. if we stay, the league will vote to leave USBC

3. either way, we are going to shrink as league. It seems half wants to move and the other half wants to stay. The only thing I know what everyone doesn't mind, is ditching USBC.
 
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Re: no buffer lanes next season and more....
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2017, 11:14:18 AM »
Sure, ditch the USBC because the increase equates to one less trip to Burger King a year.

No city, state or national tournaments for you guys.

Screw the guy who bowls his 1st career 300 game and get no ring from the USBC.

Also, I sure hope no one runs off with your prize fund. The USBC won't be there to reimburse you.

Leave the AMF house? That is a no-brainer. Of course you should leave.
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Re: no buffer lanes next season and more....
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2017, 12:16:41 PM »
Yeah, I just don't see the upside of leaving USBC. While the organization certainly has its flaws, it does offer some services that are well worth the cost. It never ceases to amaze me what bowlers expect to get for the pittance they pay the governing body.

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Re: no buffer lanes next season and more....
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2017, 03:13:50 PM »
Yeah, I just don't see the upside of leaving USBC. While the organization certainly has its flaws, it does offer some services that are well worth the cost. It never ceases to amaze me what bowlers expect to get for the pittance they pay the governing body.

You have to realize that 90-95% of league bowlers see 3 functions of the USBC and no more:
1. They provide a printed set of rules.
2. They provide national registry of averages
3. They provide awards to certain scores.

Since the USBC has dropped about 90% of all awards, people see little to no benefit to paying the USBC $1 per year, no less $20 per year.

Don't argue with me; I think the USBC fulfills several essential purposes. The common Joe and Jane Bowler do not.
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Re: no buffer lanes next season and more....
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2017, 03:26:51 PM »
Funny, this year in a Vegas league I bowl with my wife and friends dropped being USBC sanctioned and we haven't missed a beat. There is a lot of people in this league that could care less about being sanctioned. And for the ones that do want to be sanctioned just go to the local rep and buy a card. There's no reason why more leagues that are just for fun going this route as long as you bowl at a credible center that you know won't screw you over at the end of the league

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Re: no buffer lanes next season and more....
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2017, 08:34:44 AM »
The best thing the USBC does is protect you from a crooked secretary that absconds with your prize money.

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Re: no buffer lanes next season and more....
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2017, 08:59:46 AM »
The thing that makes me laugh is that unsanctioned leagues use the USBC rules, but don't pay the sanction fee.  They want the rules and all of the work the USBC does to establish and maintain them, but don't want to help fund it.  Then those bowlers pitch a fit when they enter a local no-tap with their friends and get hit with a 220 average and no handicap.  SMH

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Re: no buffer lanes next season and more....
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2017, 12:18:42 PM »
I would agree with others
Leave AMF if you can
USBC I would stay

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Re: no buffer lanes next season and more....
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2017, 07:20:23 PM »
Sure, ditch the USBC because the increase equates to one less trip to Burger King a year.

No city, state or national tournaments for you guys.

Screw the guy who bowls his 1st career 300 game and get no ring from the USBC.

Also, I sure hope no one runs off with your prize fund. The USBC won't be there to reimburse you.

Leave the AMF house? That is a no-brainer. Of course you should leave.


OR, you could just show up to City or State, sanction unattached, and bowl in said tourney.

In the house I work at, we have about a 50/50 split of sanction to non-sanction leagues. Some people could just care less about tournaments, and when it's a bar league bowling for free drinks, there's no need for the "security" of the prize fund.

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Re: no buffer lanes next season and more....
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2017, 08:56:03 PM »
Most of the seniors really don't cars about being sanctioned and aren't going to be bowling in tournaments they are bowling for the fellowship. As far as the awards or trinkets go they are a dime a dozen. As far as being sanctioned to use the rules do you guys pay the dues for all the other sports you participate in, I seriously doubt it. I myself do pay the sanctioned fee don't bowl tournaments and the little trinkets they hand out are a laugh.
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Re: no buffer lanes next season and more....
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2017, 01:09:03 PM »
Let each bowler decide what type of league they want, whether it be sanctioned or not.  Usually something negative has to happen to push them one way or the other.  Right now it is not getting what some feel they deserve for the fee they pay.  That is fine.  And as long as nothing bad happens to them in an unsanctioned league, then all will be fine.

Truth be told, I haven't heard of too many secretaries running off with money.  But it only has to happen once to a bowler for them to decide to sanction.

I agree to some extent about the use of rules.  Every other sport/activity I have participated in has had rules established.  It would behoove unsanctioned leagues to establish some rules, but not sure if you can have legal support if you try to use USBC rules.  USBC rules are copyrighted so you have to get their permission to use them in a non-sanctioned league I would think.

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Re: no buffer lanes next season and more....
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2017, 04:25:37 PM »
the bowling community in my area is pretty large in this city (it expands to other cities too) and everyone knows everyone. Most bowl multiple leagues with all being sanctioned. I believe there's a senior league that's not sanctioned in the center currently and have been for a while. These bowlers also still vote for the same officers in many of these leagues that I have bowled at one time or another. So nobody is worried about people stealing money.

Though pocketing money has happened in the past in non sanctioned league I was in, luckily the people involved got served legally and later brutally by some of the league bowlers. It opened my eyes and I joined ABC the next season.

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Re: no buffer lanes next season and more....
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2017, 04:11:00 PM »
Wonder how many leagues would certify if tournaments had a rule, no certified average, bowl scratch.  As a tournament director, I have to scramble every year looking for league sheets from non certified leagues to make sure someone is not cheating.  Here is the scenario around here.  Bowl in one certified league and bag.  Bowl in non certified leagues and shoot lights out to win money in league/sweeper. 

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Re: no buffer lanes next season and more....
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2017, 04:39:29 PM »
We (nisei) voted to leave LP and go to CC. Here's why......

Lineage is $2.25 or $3 less than LP. Way Better service with porters standing behind the league at all times. Better incentives for league bowlers/leagues. Here are a few I heard in the meeting this week:

CC also will give $500 (league prize fund) for adding two new teams into another league that we joined. League bowlers will have Free buffet twice a year!! Practice is $.25 for league bowlers any time, and if the bowler brings his/her family who are not league bowlers to bowl, I heard they get league rates or big discounts on bowling on Sundays.  CC owner really wants to cater to leagues since glow bowling wasn't making profit like he thought it would. CC got fairly new lanes, fancy qb system, will also get new pin setters this year, and have bowlers who manage the place. managers who understand league bowlers.

Bowlmor told our officers that Corp. doesn't want to allow buffer lanes if rec bowlers fill the house while we are bowling leagues. They are raising the lineage $12 plus, and no improvements on service?!!. They wanted our league to cancel one night last month for spring break specials (open play), but the league refused. And from what I noticed, LP doesn't really fill up that much with Rec bowlers often, compared to other bowling centers. Got add, something with the contract that was shady with bowlmor that made the officer/league shorten our season this year to 29 instead of 33/34...

Also, I looked at other AMF houses and how much they were redone, these places look nice and inviting. Compared to LP and with very little improvements done... I really think this house will close in the next 2 to 3 years. Same feeling I had before they closed down Alpine Lanes few 5 miles away.
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Re: no buffer lanes next season and more....
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2017, 04:59:27 AM »
Country club does sound good except that your gonna be cleaning alot of black rubber stuff off your ball every night.