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HackJandy

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No filler balls
on: October 03, 2017, 03:59:25 PM
Just noticed today the Honey Badger also doesn't have filler around the core just like the Hy-Roads and the Fight (Street Fight as well).  Along with the Visionary Warlocks and many Lane Masters in past hopefully this trend continues.  Does increase the cost of the ball (more coverstock required) but it makes a difference in my opinion for those of us that need as much carry as we can get.  Long live 2 piece balls.
Last Edit: October 03, 2017, 04:02:59 PM by HackJandy
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Re: No filler balls
Reply #16 on: October 04, 2017, 07:14:14 AM
Unless every core picture on the internet is wrong, the Clutch Pearl is a core with filler.

I'm interested to hear how the COR is different.  It's a simple test of rolling a ball down a ramp and taking a measurement.   

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Re: No filler balls
Reply #17 on: October 04, 2017, 07:52:09 AM
I will have to grab my Clutch Pearl to double check, but I'm pretty sure there's no filler. Also, it's an AMF ball, and no one pays attention to them anyways lol.

As for the COR, it only makes sense from a physics standpoint that the COR of a ball with no filler will be higher than one with it. When the ball hits a pin, the inverse is also true. So with less density, the energy transfer is different. Look at a wrecking ball and question why they don't just save money and use a sheet of metal in the shape of the ball with a lighter material inside.
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Re: No filler balls
Reply #18 on: October 04, 2017, 10:39:30 AM
Your theory would have substance if balls with filler couldn't push the COR limit, but they do.


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Re: No filler balls
Reply #19 on: October 04, 2017, 10:56:22 AM
I didn't say they couldn't, but in my experience, there is a noticable difference in between how the filler and non filler balls hit.
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Re: No filler balls
Reply #20 on: October 04, 2017, 10:57:18 AM
Your theory would have substance if balls with filler couldn't push the COR limit, but they do.

Balls with filler can carry just as well but I still think they hit a bit different than a 2 piece (same with the old urethane too).  Again I just think its one more thing you either match up or don't with a ball.
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Re: No filler balls
Reply #21 on: October 04, 2017, 12:16:25 PM
No filler here........just 100% balls.
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Re: No filler balls
Reply #22 on: October 10, 2017, 07:55:41 PM
Wow straight from Mo Pinel so guess not as big a deal as it seems.

There is a USBC specified range of between 0.650 and 0.750 in COR, the difference in filler materials is only really from around 0.700-0.7100 with normal three piece construction to 0.720-0.730 in two piece construction. It's not really a significant increase in energy transfer to the pins.

Basically the measurement of COR is that you transfer more energy to the pins meaning, that the head pin will come off of the ball with a slightly higher velocity than with a lower COR. You might throw one more pin off the kickback plate out of 20 let's say the difference would be negligible.

Two different results occur from differences in COR. Higher COR means more pin velocity and more ball deflection. Lower COR means less pin velocity, but less ball deflection. Which one would you like. Six of one; half dozen of another!
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Re: No filler balls
Reply #23 on: October 10, 2017, 07:58:40 PM
I still like how 2 piece bowling balls hit and it will be a big positive when comparing bowling balls for me now on.  Especially since you tend to be able to get a lower RG and or higher diff when throwing 16lb 2 piece balls compared to 15lb.  Would have made deciding between a Quantum Fire and a Scandal Pearl a bit harder than it was at the time.
Last Edit: October 10, 2017, 08:05:28 PM by HackJandy
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