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Author Topic: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship  (Read 1935 times)

Ken De Beasto

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Does anyone know if there is a rule against prebowl/postbowl for position round week? My team headed into next week for second half champs and the other team decides they gonna pre bowl it. I find it bullcrap but our league rules says nothing about pre bowling position rounds smh. Most moral people knows you don't pre bowl position rounds.

 

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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2017, 06:29:17 AM »
Yeah I think it's b.s.


Why not cater to them and pre bowl with em?

It's probably not in the cards for your team to up and change their lives to bowl on a different night..
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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2017, 08:52:47 AM »
Something smells fishy. I bet they have their career nights that night!
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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2017, 09:00:47 AM »
Does anyone know if there is a rule against prebowl/postbowl for position round week?

Unless otherwise provided by league rule, No there's not.
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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2017, 09:32:01 AM »
I think they have to notify the opposing team to give them the opportunity to ball the same time. I would bowl the same time if possible so you can at least keep them honest!!! We always had to have a league officer there to verify the score and to make corrections if needed! Just my $.02, Bruce
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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2017, 12:42:31 PM »
I think they have to notify the opposing team to give them the opportunity to ball the same time. I would bowl the same time if possible so you can at least keep them honest!!! We always had to have a league officer there to verify the score and to make corrections if needed! Just my $.02, Bruce

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Is a league officer going to be there when they bowl? I believe there is a rule on that when a team is going to pre/post bowl. I'll have to dig up the handbook to be sure. But as far as I know, that would be the only USBC-binding rule outside of a league rule.

But also think about it this way. If they treat this like Nats, they'll be on the fresh (assuming the house dresses the lanes before they start), leaving for less adjustments, and can create their own area to shoot lights out. So it may be better to offer to bowl with them so they don't take any advantages that they can.

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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2017, 01:17:56 PM »
Something smells fishy. I bet they have their career nights that night!

I see that too. There's a ton of teams that can hit the shot game 1 every week and then struggle with break down. 

Although it's just a game. If you're meant to win that year u will!
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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2017, 01:27:44 PM »
I think they have to notify the opposing team to give them the opportunity to ball the same time.

Nope, notification of the opposing team is just a courtesy unless otherwise provided by league rule.
Commonly Asked Questions – Rule 111e.
111e/1 If a team is granted a pre-bowl or postponement and the opposing team is not notified, are the games forfeited?
No. When bowling unopposed, the opposing team does not have to be notified (or agree to a date) prior to the time of bowling, unless otherwise provided by league rule.
Notification of the opposing team is courtesy and games cannot be forfeited. If the league adopted a rule requiring notification and the opposing team was not notified and filed a written protest, the league board would have the following options:
a. Games stand as bowled.
b. Null and void both teams’ scores and require both teams to re-bowl in direct opposition.



Is a league officer going to be there when they bowl? I believe there is a rule on that when a team is going to pre/post bowl.

Again unless otherwise provided by league rule, a league officer doesn't have to be there.
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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2017, 01:55:16 PM »
Every league I bowl in has a league rule stipulating no Pre-Bowls during Position Round. Further, one of the leagues went as far as preventing Pre-Bowls any week with one exception: if the bowler was going to miss league to bowl in the USBC National Tourney, the bowler could then Pre-Bowl.

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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2017, 11:17:59 AM »
Thanks for the replies, we took it to our nearest association waiting on their answer still. But they pre bowled and of course someone shoots a 300 and almost 800 series with no one present .

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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2017, 12:25:42 PM »
A 800 & 300 in a prebowl, I would agree that's BS
Sounds like a serious league if you have guys that shoot like that and it has no rules against prebowling and especially for position round. Hope the best for you with the association but doubt you will have any success. I would be looking for a new league for next season.

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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2017, 01:29:35 PM »
A 800 & 300 in a prebowl, I would agree that's BS
Sounds like a serious league if you have guys that shoot like that and it has no rules against prebowling and especially for position round. Hope the best for you with the association but doubt you will have any success. I would be looking for a new league for next season.

No need to look its the best league we have my team and pretty much all the teams agree to vote them off our league next year. We all know the moral thing to do is show up on position round even they know. But just because it's not on paper they want to take advantage.

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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2017, 01:32:48 PM »
Every league I bowl in has a league rule stipulating no Pre-Bowls during Position Round. Further, one of the leagues went as far as preventing Pre-Bowls any week with one exception: if the bowler was going to miss league to bowl in the USBC National Tourney, the bowler could then Pre-Bowl.

Prebowling is always permitted for bowlers going to Nationals, the annual association meeting, emergencies, or for sufficient cause.  A sanctioned league must allow pre or post bowling for these reasons.  If your league has made a rule only for going to Nationals, they need rewrite that rule to allow for attending the annual association meeting, emergencies and sufficient cause.
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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2017, 01:34:45 PM »
Thanks for the replies, we took it to our nearest association waiting on their answer still. But they pre bowled and of course someone shoots a 300 and almost 800 series with no one present .

I'm sorry, but that wreaks of a setup. Did they have someone lay a pattern for them to practice on? Or just happen to know when to show up and get a breakdown pair with a leftover fresh pattern, that was know to be easy.

Either way, next year, I'd put it into the rules that there is no pre-bowling for position rounds.

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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2017, 01:59:10 PM »
A 800 & 300 in a prebowl, I would agree that's BS
Sounds like a serious league if you have guys that shoot like that and it has no rules against prebowling and especially for position round. Hope the best for you with the association but doubt you will have any success. I would be looking for a new league for next season.

No need to look its the best league we have my team and pretty much all the teams agree to vote them off our league next year. We all know the moral thing to do is show up on position round even they know. But just because it's not on paper they want to take advantage.

So the league erred by not establishing a no prebowl for position rounds rule (except as allowed by USBC), a team does nothing wrong, and you are going to tell them to leave?

Did anyone ask the center if there were any manual score changes during the prebowl session?  If there were no score changes recorded it is possible the prebowl was clean.  If they overrode any more than 2 or 3 frames that could signal an issue.

The association isn't going to find in your favor based on a morality argument.  The team that prebowled doesn't appear to have violated any league rules.  Next year solve the problems by amending the league's by-laws, not punishing and alienating bowlers who didn't break any league rules.
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