How do we really know if it's a miss though? I talked to Bill O'Neill a few years back and he said on TV you're moving about 1/2 board every shot due to the rapid transition from the heat of the lights. Once these guys don't strike, they're looking to bend better angles into the pocket. I was at the US Open the year Frankie Lavoie shot the 300 and he told me he made 4 adjustments that game, including on the last ball in the 300 game because was seeing his ball transition from the hook->roll phase differently every other shot after the 5th frame. If you didn't have that information, it's easy to say to yourself "Wow! He got so lucky, he missed his mark 4 times and shot 300!" ....But how do you know he missed his mark? You don't have the same information they do in the heat of competition.

Everyone is going to miss, but yesteryear you had way more friction in the plastic/urethane era. How are you going to miss the breakpoint when your plastic ball is check-rolling up at 33 feet? Your major adjustments back then were speed & release based.

If strikes came automatically for hitting your mark then this would be a different sport completely. The modern game is about shaping the right angle through the pins. The modern pro sees transition 5x faster than back in the day. They know this and many are able to adjust accordingly. It's a much different game now. You can't just blanket high rev guys as "not being accurate". Their ability to average 240+ on their patterns speak for itself. You can't sniff par on what they bowl on, just crowbar-ing on it. That's not how it works.

Every touring player is in the top 1% of "hitting a mark". But that's just the start of things. I'm not trying to play devil's advocate here, just trying to get people past level 1 thinking (which seems pretty difficult for the USBC).

Quote from: DP3 on March 09, 2018, 09:00:07 AM

How do we really know if it's a miss though? I talked to Bill O'Neill a few years back and he said on TV you're moving about 1/2 board every shot due to the rapid transition from the heat of the lights. Once these guys don't strike, they're looking to bend better angles into the pocket. I was at the US Open the year Frankie Lavoie shot the 300 and he told me he made 4 adjustments that game, including on the last ball in the 300 game because was seeing his ball transition from the hook->roll phase differently every other shot after the 5th frame. If you didn't have that information, it's easy to say to yourself "Wow! He got so lucky, he missed his mark 4 times and shot 300!" ....But how do you know he missed his mark? You don't have the same information they do in the heat of competition.

Everyone is going to miss, but yesteryear you had way more friction in the plastic/urethane era. How are you going to miss the breakpoint when your plastic ball is check-rolling up at 33 feet? Your major adjustments back then were speed & release based.

If strikes came automatically for hitting your mark then this would be a different sport completely. The modern game is about shaping the right angle through the pins. The modern pro sees transition 5x faster than back in the day. They know this and many are able to adjust accordingly. It's a much different game now. You can't just blanket high rev guys as "not being accurate". Their ability to average 240+ on their patterns speak for itself. You can't sniff par on what they bowl on, just crowbar-ing on it. That's not how it works.

Every touring player is in the top 1% of "hitting a mark". But that's just the start of things. I'm not trying to play devil's advocate here, just trying to get people past level 1 thinking (which seems pretty difficult for the USBC).

Just watch the Keven Williams match, and watch the break-point. Any where from 4 to 10. He was throwing it all over the lane, and scoring. Sorry, it's just the reality.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGK9e8JMJC8&t=2s

Go spend a few days watching top level bowling in person.  What you get on TV in a 20 minute match is not a complete representation of how good those guys are. 

Ah, good ole Adrenaline Wipes! Another Ron Hickland creation. People who use them say they work but people will still demonize the man for creating an accessory brand in a free Enterprise market.

It was a precursor to the Hook Juice. ...OMG, I said the HJ word!!!

:Runs: :-)

Quote from: DP3 on March 07, 2018, 01:46:53 PM

Ah, good ole Adrenaline Wipes! Another Ron Hickland creation. People who use them say they work but people will still demonize the man for creating an accessory brand in a free Enterprise market.

It was a precursor to the Hook Juice. ...OMG, I said the HJ word!!!

:Runs: :-)

The difference is, Adrenaline wipes don't cost  fu(king $50 to use every-single-time if you follow the instructions. You also don't have to use Adrenaline wipes on every-single-shot.

Sorry, I forget which silly-ass product Hook Juice is, the "$50 per use" or "wipe after every thrown ball", but the concept still applies.

Whenever I think about the old days I picture Marshal Holman sliding after releasing the ball.  Yes he is one the best ever.  Yes he at any point in his life could crush me even including today but just hard to square that with perfect technique.  Maybe Belmo is not as accurate but you watch just how fluid and smooth that guy is with zero wasted energy and hard to say these guys today aren't in same league or whatever.

P.S. You can email Kegel and get recorded PDF's of said PBA players practice sessions and see just exactly how accurate they are. For free.