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Sandbagging
« on: January 03, 2017, 12:03:13 AM »
I have a guy in my league who clearly sandbags.  I am high average in the league and we pick teams.  I get stuck with him every year cause I get last pick.  No one wants him.  Been on my team 2 years now.   Its not a big money league but that's beside the point.  Sick of his crap.  I talked to the league President he said nothing he can do.  Wanted him thrown out of the league.  He said we can't until he does something wrong.  Well sandbagging is wrong.  Anything else I can do to get rid of him?  It is a sanctioned league.

 

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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2017, 10:20:08 AM »
Sandbagging is done by desperate people looking for an advantage because their bowling cannot stand on it's own merits.  Plain and simple...


I'd suggest getting people to start asking him why he's so desperate.  When people start calling him out and making an example of him the behavior might change.

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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2017, 11:54:08 AM »
Contact USBC.   I believe that all leagues are inherently by invitation.   So if someone's actions are disruptive to the league,  that bowler can be asked not to return.   It may take a letter from the league BOD.
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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2017, 09:27:09 AM »
We have a bowling center in our area that is very run down, and poor lane conditions a lot of the guys who bowl there carry averages of around 20-30 pins lower than if they bowled somewhere else.and they bowl there for that exact reason. they always cash in the local handicap events. would you consider that sandbagging or not??

If they are bowling there on purpose so they can take a low average into handicap tournaments, then yes, clearly sandbagging.

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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2017, 09:43:01 AM »
Contact USBC.   I believe that all leagues are inherently by invitation.   So if someone's actions are disruptive to the league,  that bowler can be asked not to return.   It may take a letter from the league BOD.

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Review the rulebook (or contact USBC, as poster above suggested), as there are rules regarding requesting for dismissal of a player.

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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2017, 09:48:40 AM »
Is it sandbagging to intentionally bowl at boneyards?
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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2017, 10:35:59 AM »
Is it sandbagging to intentionally bowl at boneyards?

Depends on who you ask.
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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2017, 11:40:55 AM »
Is it sandbagging to intentionally bowl at boneyards?

If you were to call that bagging, I think you would have to also call it bagging if someone knowingly did not bowl at the highest scoring house available, which is a notion I reject.  I think if it's a certified house and the person is really putting the effort in then I think their average is within the parameters of what the system was designed to be.

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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2017, 09:04:11 PM »
Not much can be done.  In one league I'm in, a competitive men's league, the point system was changed to five points for high team series as opposed to one or two.  That cuts down on throwing away spares in the first or second game.

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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2017, 01:48:14 PM »
How obvious is his sandbagging? 

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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2017, 06:16:20 PM »
We have a bowling center in our area that is very run down, and poor lane conditions a lot of the guys who bowl there carry averages of around 20-30 pins lower than if they bowled somewhere else.and they bowl there for that exact reason. they always cash in the local handicap events. would you consider that sandbagging or not??

If they are bowling there on purpose so they can take a low average into handicap tournaments, then yes, clearly sandbagging.

So in a city with Multiple houses every bowler should bowl at the highest scoring house or they are sandbaggers? What a joke dude.
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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2017, 08:38:29 AM »
We have a bowling center in our area that is very run down, and poor lane conditions a lot of the guys who bowl there carry averages of around 20-30 pins lower than if they bowled somewhere else.and they bowl there for that exact reason. they always cash in the local handicap events. would you consider that sandbagging or not??

If they are bowling there on purpose so they can take a low average into handicap tournaments, then yes, clearly sandbagging.

So in a city with Multiple houses every bowler should bowl at the highest scoring house or they are sandbaggers? What a joke dude.

I didn't say that. I said if you are purposely bowling at a low average house in order to take that low average and cash at handicap tournaments (at an easier house), then yes you are sandbagging.

The post said that these bowlers were doing it for that exact reason. Not sure how you can't call it sandbagging.

You can call my opinion a joke all you want, but if someone is doing the above, it is a clear abuse in order to cash. I'm not saying people should move to a different house. And I'd say the majority are not at that particular house specifically to carry a lower average into the tournaments. But for those who are, it IS sandbagging.

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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2017, 09:03:39 AM »
We have a bowling center in our area that is very run down, and poor lane conditions a lot of the guys who bowl there carry averages of around 20-30 pins lower than if they bowled somewhere else.and they bowl there for that exact reason. they always cash in the local handicap events. would you consider that sandbagging or not??

If they are bowling there on purpose so they can take a low average into handicap tournaments, then yes, clearly sandbagging.

So in a city with Multiple houses every bowler should bowl at the highest scoring house or they are sandbaggers? What a joke dude.

I didn't say that. I said if you are purposely bowling at a low average house in order to take that low average and cash at handicap tournaments (at an easier house), then yes you are sandbagging.

The post said that these bowlers were doing it for that exact reason. Not sure how you can't call it sandbagging.

You can call my opinion a joke all you want, but if someone is doing the above, it is a clear abuse in order to cash. I'm not saying people should move to a different house. And I'd say the majority are not at that particular house specifically to carry a lower average into the tournaments. But for those who are, it IS sandbagging.

You can't automatically call this sandbagging. If someone is at that house and is trying their best, then it is not bagging. No rules a being broken. Unfortunately this is a flaw in the USBC. Until patterns are rated (weekly) it is all legal.

I don't understand this.  The person that wants the challenge, and not have an easy shot every week is in the WRONG?  Sorry that idea is messed up.

 

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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2017, 09:45:28 AM »
Let's just get rid of handicap. *Seriousface*
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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2017, 11:26:15 AM »
Let's just get rid of handicap. *Seriousface*

You think bowling is dead now? lol I bowl in a league where I get negative handicap, you can't make this shit up.
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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2017, 11:30:06 AM »
We have a bowling center in our area that is very run down, and poor lane conditions a lot of the guys who bowl there carry averages of around 20-30 pins lower than if they bowled somewhere else.and they bowl there for that exact reason. they always cash in the local handicap events. would you consider that sandbagging or not??

If they are bowling there on purpose so they can take a low average into handicap tournaments, then yes, clearly sandbagging.

So in a city with Multiple houses every bowler should bowl at the highest scoring house or they are sandbaggers? What a joke dude.

I didn't say that. I said if you are purposely bowling at a low average house in order to take that low average and cash at handicap tournaments (at an easier house), then yes you are sandbagging.

The post said that these bowlers were doing it for that exact reason. Not sure how you can't call it sandbagging.

You can call my opinion a joke all you want, but if someone is doing the above, it is a clear abuse in order to cash. I'm not saying people should move to a different house. And I'd say the majority are not at that particular house specifically to carry a lower average into the tournaments. But for those who are, it IS sandbagging.

You can't automatically call this sandbagging. If someone is at that house and is trying their best, then it is not bagging. No rules a being broken. Unfortunately this is a flaw in the USBC. Until patterns are rated (weekly) it is all legal.

I don't understand this.  The person that wants the challenge, and not have an easy shot every week is in the WRONG?  Sorry that idea is messed up.

 



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