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Author Topic: Scotch brite pads  (Read 3361 times)

justinmill14

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Scotch brite pads
« on: June 05, 2009, 02:21:06 PM »
Does anyone have much experience with using these? I figured I would try these out for resurfacing my bowling balls on the spinner since they are fairly cheap. Heres the info I have found so far
The pads are color coded:
White 1000 grit
Light grey 600-800 grit
Green 500-600 grit
Maroon 320-400grit
Brown 280-320 grit
Dark grey 180-220 grit
Tan 120-150 grit


Now I know this may sound stupid but does anyone have a picture of the gray and light gray pads, because I can not find one anywhere and would like to know how much of a difference there is between the two as far as color goes. That way I can purchase the right one and don't use the wrong grit.

 

J_Mac

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Re: Scotch brite pads
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2009, 11:24:51 PM »
IMHO, There are only 4 colors to really concern yourself with.  Maroon, Green, Grey and Gold...

07447 - Maroon 320-400 grit
00096 - Green ~600 grit
06448 - Grey 800-1000 grit (also listed as 07448 and 07748)
07745 - Gold 1200-1500 grit

White doesn't feel like it has any abrasiveness to it at all and takes a LOT of pressure to change a surface.  Gold actually does feel abrasive.

J_w73

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Re: Scotch brite pads
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2009, 11:42:08 PM »
Product Information: 3M part# 07745 Scotch-Brite Clear Blend Prep Scuff Roll, 4 3/4 in x 15 ft Least agressive of 3 part scuff pad system. Scuffing prior to clear coat blending, light scouring, fine polishing on metal. Each roll tears into 30, 4 3/4 in x 6 in pads. Gold in color, leaves behind a scratch pattern equivalent to grade 1200 and finer. 3M Scotch-Brite Clear Blend Prep Scuff Pad is Excellent for sail panel blends. It's Perfect for gold/silver/pearl metallic. Use to Prep clear coat areas and critical blends. Provides Easy buff back, and Provides optimum clear prep adhesion. This pad may be used with 3M Scuff-It Paint Prep Gel 06013 for improved performance.
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J_w73

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Re: Scotch brite pads
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2009, 11:52:30 PM »
The dark grey looks very course... the weave is very loose..

also on a side note...I have seen the green 6448 look grey as well... I think the green is what they sell at the grocery store .. the greyish is the industrial/commercial grade..
I think they are the same number though..it looks close to the light grey.. a bit darker with a greenish tinge..


here is a pic of the dark grey 7446
http://www.grainger.com/images/products/enlarged/XL-4ZR12.JPG

light grey 7448

http://www.rshughes.com/images/products/images/JHbwjWjvpDX2njMdb0IJWg_img.jpeg

check out this chart.. it gives the grits and model numbers for all the pads.. That way you can just go by the model number to avoid confusion.

http://home.earthlink.net/~litefrozen/downloads/bowling_grit_chart.pdf

I got mine here.. They have all the pads and seem to be a decent price

http://metalworking.mscdirect.com/industrial-catalog.html
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J_w73

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Re: Scotch brite pads
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2009, 11:54:47 PM »
I have found the scotchbrite to last longer and do a better job at changing the surface consistanty.  Abralon pads seem to only provide a true surface grit for about 4 or 5 times.. I have 2000 pads that will shine a ball to a glossier finish than a new 4000.. Scothbrites seem to give the same grit till there is nothing left of them..

The heavier grit scotchbrites will leave score marks in the ball and won't leave the ball as pretty though..
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Re: Scotch brite pads
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2009, 06:26:20 AM »
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I have found the scotchbrite to last longer and do a better job at changing the surface consistanty.  Abralon pads seem to only provide a true surface grit for about 4 or 5 times.. I have 2000 pads that will shine a ball to a glossier finish than a new 4000.. Scothbrites seem to give the same grit till there is nothing left of them..

The heavier grit scotchbrites will leave score marks in the ball and won't leave the ball as pretty though..
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I agree.

the reason why scotchbrite isnt as popular (IMO) is that up until recently all we knew we could use to achieve a high grit dull surface was light grey scotchbrite. however this is a lot closer to around FEPA or P1500 grit... a LOT duller then 4000 grit abralon or P4000.

I just purchased a box of gold scotchbrite and I hit one side of a ball with 2000 abralon and the other with gold. they both produced a surface that looked and felt the same *to me*.

with that being said I think scotchbrite is MUCH cheaper then abralon as you can get a LOT of uses from one pad and it doesnt get worn over time like abralon does.

I stopped using abralon as the cost to amount of use to me is absurd and the only advantage I see is P4000 grit but i never match up to that surface... i usually go polished or a compound polish like storm step #2 if I need less surface then P2000 grit. AND I dont like how fine the surface is at 4000 abralon... how many games will it stay close to 4000 grit? plus it seems as if the grit under can have an affect when using 4000 abralon as your final surface as discussed in another post.


ive noticed that all abrasives have their spot or reason to use them.

such as abralon, wet/dry sandpaper, and scotchbrite. but for my dollar as well as performance I will be using scotchbrite IF it achieves the reaction or grit needed.

mrteach3

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Re: Scotch brite pads
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2009, 06:34:47 AM »
Agree with above.  We use the Burgandy, Grey, and White pads in our shop on a Haus machine.  Does an absolutely outstanding job.
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Re: Scotch brite pads
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2009, 07:25:41 AM »
Im getting away from abralon myself.  The pads last longer and are cheaper.
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Re: Scotch brite pads
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2009, 09:40:23 AM »
I have never used the 180 or 360 Abralon but the  500 did provide a smooth uniform surface.  Only advantage I would see with the Abralon is that the 180 or 360 might provide a dull surface without all the score marks that course grit sandpaper or scothbrite make.  Basically the ball will look prettier.. I would imagine that these pads would wear even faster than some of the higher grit pads though.
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Re: Scotch brite pads
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2009, 10:25:42 AM »
I use from 180 to 2000 Abralon pads. Don't much care for the SB pads as those don't last as long for me. I also use sandpaper, all depending on what I want to do. Finishing off a plug job starts with sandpaper and ends with Abralon.

Major resurfacing starts with sandpaper and ends with Abralon, minor adjustments only Abralon. IMO it's more what you are most comfortable with or what you feel does the best job for you. I have nothing against SB just doesn't work as well for me except cleaning the ball, they are great for that (white pads).
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Re: Scotch brite pads
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2009, 10:49:33 AM »
I've have better results with useing wet/dry sand paper.the scotch pads were to coarse and the abralon to fine.for polished ball I use 400 to 1000 W/D and for sanded I use 800 to 3000.That's just me though
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justinmill14

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Re: Scotch brite pads
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2009, 03:00:45 PM »
The only problem I saw with using sand paper, is the fact that it is so thin

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Re: Scotch brite pads
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2009, 03:34:30 PM »
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The only problem I saw with using sand paper, is the fact that it is so thin  


Not this stuff....  http://www.supergrit.com/products/products_sheets-brownredao.asp#red

Very thick paper, lasts a long time and easy to keep clean.
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Re: Scotch brite pads
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2009, 06:25:03 PM »
I use the gold scotch brite the most, with the light grey ones a close second.

As the gold ones wear you can really do some nice finish work with lots of water and higher speeds.

A trick I picked up from "charlest" when using sandpaper is to get some of the small sponges from the dollar store and get one wet. Put the sponge between the hand and the sandpaper. It helps me grip the sandpaper as well as acting as a cushion against the hand and fingers.

 


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Re: Scotch brite pads
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2009, 07:18:23 PM »
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I use from 180 to 2000 Abralon pads. Don't much care for the SB pads as those don't last as long for me. I also use sandpaper, all depending on what I want to do. Finishing off a plug job starts with sandpaper and ends with Abralon.

Major resurfacing starts with sandpaper and ends with Abralon, minor adjustments only Abralon. IMO it's more what you are most comfortable with or what you feel does the best job for you. I have nothing against SB just doesn't work as well for me except cleaning the ball, they are great for that (white pads).
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I am interested in how you say the scotchbrite pads don't last long.  Are you saying they wear away to nothing left or wear holes?.. because from my experience the grit and the surface that you achieve will stay the same through the life of the pad and that life seems to be very long.. The grit that is achieved from an new abralon pad lasts about 5 or 6 balls for me.. after that who knows what you are going to get.  It definitely isn't as course as a new pad after the pad wears.. like I said. I have 2000 grit abralon that will polish to a higher shine than a new 4000 abralon
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