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xrayjay

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second shift blues - help
« on: September 25, 2017, 05:43:31 PM »
I'm at a loss, and kind of embarrassed to ask. but what are ways to lower ones revrate? And is this one way of combating drier conditions? I bowl second shift at this new place which is really dry at the heads, mids, and hooking backends. (I don't have 350 plus rpm's, in fact I don't know what I have)

I find success playing inside/deep, but my mistakes are much worse. I'd like to avoid rubbing against the ball return and prefer to keep the ball in front of me longer. I just don't really know how to keep straight on conditions like this. It's extreme. (many bowlers in the league before us use high end strong equipment, some even sand their balls down! I've seen a sanded nano and the owner still complained that it's dry??!! lol)

My low tilt and average axis rotation isn't ideal for drier surfaces. I've tried breaking my wrist, but my wrist doesn't always stay in that position. Or, I end up throwing end over end. I've tried lofting before, but how far really do one needs to loft?

I really do need to practice during the early morning hours each Sunday when lanes are dry at this time at this 24 hrs bowling center. But, I need some advice on how to bowl on drier conditions. What should I work on?

Finally, do I possibly need a different set for second shift because of the extreme I see compared to the first shift? I'll try anything...
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Steven

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Re: second shift blues - help
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2017, 06:34:55 PM »
Is anybody successfully playing further right?

bltbyj

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Re: second shift blues - help
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2017, 06:45:06 PM »
What house are you at?

Brian Green

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Re: second shift blues - help
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2017, 07:37:07 PM »
I’d seriously consider drilling a Brunswick Fanatic BTU Pearl.  This ball has been my go to ball on second shift
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xrayjay

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Re: second shift blues - help
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2017, 07:53:49 PM »
Is anybody successfully playing further right?

There's a bowler who plays straight no matter what conditions he bowls on. He's a 230 plus average bowler who can do things with the ball, revs, speed, etc... but I noticed big games in the first like 300 and 280's but his scores drop by the third. He starts out further right then find him playing "up 10" by the third game.

Those outside 10 have very high tilt or low rev rate with speed. But not seeing the success they had at the other house. Low scores across the board for everyone. One guy told me he only had 2 200 games. Another guy mentioned he shot his first 600 of the season lol. I saw a lot of 560's to low 600's. No more 650 to 720 lol.

We also don't have a set of lanes we bowl on every week. We can be on lane 1 to 10 one week or 19 thru 28 the next. Lower end seems to be drier but over all its dry and/or spotty mids.

I really don't mind how hard it is right now, but the look on others with many heads down, the league might vote to return to the old house next season. Maybe they prefer higher averages over bad service? who knows.... only time will tell.
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xrayjay

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Re: second shift blues - help
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2017, 07:54:08 PM »
What house are you at?

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BTW, my tuesday night first shift league is looking for a 4th bowler.. know anyone?
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Re: second shift blues - help
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2017, 11:40:58 PM »
Have you tried using your XXXL? If  country club is that dry the XXXL should work very well there. No don't  know anyone who could bowl on Tuesday nights.

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Re: second shift blues - help
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2017, 11:49:43 PM »
You're not going to like my answer - you said you can score standing further left but your misses hurt you.  The solution to that isn't to change the good shots, the solution is to mitigate the risk on the bad ones. You know where the scoring is, you just don't want to play there.

Stand left, throw right, figure out how to get some miss room in at least one direction.

For MY second shift league that's similar to yours (1st shift is 5 man teams of no hand men using sanded balls), I actually prefer to move left with a very strong ball until Im far enough left to have some shim. I get some hold on shots in, and hope misses out burn up a bit and just hit weak. Your results may vary.

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Re: second shift blues - help
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2017, 09:18:29 AM »
Good answer.  People don't been to appreciate making use of the inside hold area inside.  Surfaces are getting old , and the balls blow the oil up quickly.  You have to get much deeper, much sooner on today's house shots.  Also it helps to work on ball speed.  Too many league bowlers are rev dominant

xrayjay

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Re: second shift blues - help
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2017, 01:12:13 PM »
hank and bob,

staying on the left - "stand left shoot right" has crossed my mind. Yes it is true I don't like playing this deep because the misses are bad/harder, but I've done this before. Also, I agree about the speed being key. I just have to take what the lanes gives me.....

Over a decade ago, when a last stood in front of the ball return lol, I had Track Slash with Beans polish that allowed me to clear the front part nicely and get down lane. It had a very smooth reaction even with the polish and I was able to control the backend. With the Rave (pearl oob) it naturally gets down lane with easy, but the backend can be a bit too quick.

I thought about getting another pearl in the Cyclone to fit under the Rave, or the hustle ink which is a polish solid. Maybe another week of leagues I'll decide which direction I'll go with these two balls.

Hank what "strong" ball are you using?
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Re: second shift blues - help
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2017, 01:45:24 PM »
Which misses hurt the most? Left or right? If you miss right, does it hit flat and lose energy or jackknife thru the face?

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Re: second shift blues - help
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2017, 03:01:55 PM »
Which misses hurt the most? Left or right? If you miss right, does it hit flat and lose energy or jackknife thru the face?

most miss are thru the face high hits. 4, 9 pins 10's....worse, multi pin splits

I feel I'm behind the pattern. Laterally, I am two or 3 or 4 boards too late. I finally get a good zone by the last 4 to 5 frames of the last game - unlike the other house, it's small adjustments or none at all lol. At this place it's bigger moves I need to take.. maybe equipment adjustment? or new equipment? I really don't know....
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Re: second shift blues - help
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2017, 03:29:05 PM »
I think you are,on to something.  Surfaces are getting old along with what the balls do to the pattern.  Awfully easy to get caught behind the transition.

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Re: second shift blues - help
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2017, 03:49:32 PM »
This is the "feel" part of the game.  If you wait to move off a miss you are a move behind.  That's what separates the guys that average 210 from the guys 225+. 

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Re: second shift blues - help
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2017, 04:30:38 PM »
Changing your pitches and making adjustments to your release would cut down on your rev rate, but there must be other ways of attacking the lanes.
What balls/layouts are you using?  Have you tried adding polish to your equipment and/or using something with a lower diff or longer pin-pap layout?
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