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Aloarjr810

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So Urethane is just a crutch that ruins the shot
« on: December 05, 2017, 10:07:11 AM »
Phil Cardinale's did a FB live feed shot on Dec. 1st in it he tells what he thinks about urethane and why Radical won't have a urethane ball (at least at the moment).


See about the 17min. mark
https://www.facebook.com/radical.bowling.technologies/videos/1490117054441795/

basically it boiled down to

1-Radical won't have a Urethane (Right Now)
2-People use Urethane as a crutch.
3-You can use a resin ball with a mild drilling and a surface change and it won't ruin the shot as bad as Urethane will.
4-But if your on Radical staff and you want to use Urethane Brunswick makes real good ones.
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Re: So Urethane is just a crutch that ruins the shot
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2017, 10:10:43 AM »
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Re: So Urethane is just a crutch that ruins the shot
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2017, 10:54:29 AM »
Sounds like the most stupidest thing I've heard in a real long time.

1) You should use whatever ball allows you to score the best.

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2) Who entitled you to a "shot" anyway? Are you not good enough to adjust if the "shot" changes?
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Re: So Urethane is just a crutch that ruins the shot
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2017, 11:01:47 AM »
Maybe I can run my epoxy ball down his line and show him what ruining a shot really looks like.  Its fine plenty of better non Brunswick urethane out there to be had.  You go Radical for strong asym reactives and you go Visionary for urethane.
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Re: So Urethane is just a crutch that ruins the shot
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2017, 11:34:39 AM »
Sounds like the most stupidest thing I've heard in a real long time.

1) You should use whatever ball allows you to score the best.

and

Bingo!!!!! ^^^

2) Who entitled you to a "shot" anyway? Are you not good enough to adjust if the "shot" changes?

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Re: So Urethane is just a crutch that ruins the shot
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2017, 11:46:20 AM »
Mr. Cardinals is a very smart man. History is littered with very smart men who, at times, used poor judgement and made mistakes that looked bad for them.

 I have always, for some reason, held Mr. Cardinals in high regards. I also, for some reason, always thought that he might just be a little more “clued in” about the realities of real world bowling than some others in the same position.

 I lost a little of that today.

 Tell Jesper it’s a crutch. Or, for that matter, Belmo recently as well.

 Who throws Radical on tour? Tom Smallwood? Didn’t he get beat out by guys using urethane?  Good thing they handicapped themselves with urethane, otherwise they would’ve beaten him worse?  That’s not right, and you know it.

 It’s funny how things turn around over time. When resin balls first came out, THEY were the ones thought of as a crutch, one to be used to let the smaller, weaker, less accomplished players keep up. Now that resin has been around so long, and has gained vast popularity, it is the urethane that is being called a crutch, letting the less accurate “weaker” players be able to play in their comfort zone without having to learn how to really bowl.  ::)

 Sounds like Mo is starting to rub off on him, and that’s too bad.

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Re: So Urethane is just a crutch that ruins the shot
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2017, 12:04:24 PM »
Phil is trying to sell balls. And since he can't justify producing a low sales volume item like urethane, he claims that it's not needed.

Just my opinion of his opinion.  ;D
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Re: So Urethane is just a crutch that ruins the shot
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2017, 12:05:32 PM »
He made some good points also, I like how he just lets it fly. Told some secrets most ball companies won't. The urethane debate is reaching the point that its all about who you ask and when.

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Re: So Urethane is just a crutch that ruins the shot
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2017, 12:16:46 PM »
Urethane is condition specific tool that has its place.  It is probably being over used currently, but certainly not a crutch.  If you want to find a crutch, it is the heavily sanded ball, either urethane or resin,  that allows guys who are incapable of squaring up to blow open a tight pattern.

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Re: So Urethane is just a crutch that ruins the shot
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2017, 12:17:24 PM »
Yeah not going to tear him apart as I do like Radical but ...

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Re: So Urethane is just a crutch that ruins the shot
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2017, 12:53:40 PM »
Phil is trying to sell balls. And since he can't justify producing a low sales volume item like urethane, he claims that it's not needed.

Just my opinion of his opinion.  ;D

IMO That might be part of it, But he said they wont have one "right now". To me that says they'll come out with one at some point .

I'd bet Big B just told them to hold off for a while, let them milk it first. Then Radical can put one out, with MO telling how all the other companies didn't do urethane right.

They were just using his old ideas for Urethane from years ago and he & phil have gone far past those ideas with a new Radical Urethane.
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Re: So Urethane is just a crutch that ruins the shot
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2017, 01:07:26 PM »
Phil is trying to sell balls. And since he can't justify producing a low sales volume item like urethane, he claims that it's not needed.

Just my opinion of his opinion.  ;D

IMO That might be part of it, But he said they wont have one "right now". To me that says they'll come out with one at some point .

I'd bet Big B just told them to hold off for a while, let them milk it first. Then Radical can put one out, with MO telling how all the other companies didn't do urethane right.

They were just using his old ideas for Urethane from years ago and he & phil have gone far past those ideas with a new Radical Urethane.

You are probably correct. It will only be a good idea when his company comes up with it.
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Re: So Urethane is just a crutch that ruins the shot
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2017, 01:29:37 PM »
True Mo did make one of the best urethane balls back in the day (Sumo) so yeah I am sure 25 years later he could do something pretty amazing.  Cash core in particle urethane might be cool as hell for the oil.
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Re: So Urethane is just a crutch that ruins the shot
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2017, 01:34:06 PM »
True Mo did make one of the best urethane ball back in the day (Sumo) so yeah I am sure 25 years later he could do something pretty amazing.

I seem to be the only person who doesn't "get" Mo.

I keep hearing how great his stuff was, how innovative he is and that his knowledge is second to none.

I have owned a few Morich balls and wasn't impressed. Not bad balls, but there are better options. If Mo is so much smarter than everyone else in bowling, why was his company such a dismal failure? Why wasn't every bowler using his stuff if it was so great?

It's the same with the Lane #1 guy, if the products are so much better(as they claim), then why aren't more bowlers buying their stuff?
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Re: So Urethane is just a crutch that ruins the shot
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2017, 01:42:56 PM »
True Mo did make one of the best urethane ball back in the day (Sumo) so yeah I am sure 25 years later he could do something pretty amazing.

I seem to be the only person who doesn't "get" Mo.

I keep hearing how great his stuff was, how innovative he is and that his knowledge is second to none.

I have owned a few Morich balls and wasn't impressed. Not bad balls, but there are better options. If Mo is so much smarter than everyone else in bowling, why was his company such a dismal failure? Why wasn't every bowler using his stuff if it was so great?

It's the same with the Lane #1 guy, if the products are so much better(as they claim), then why aren't more bowlers buying their stuff?

Lane 1 was because $300 balls don't sell and when he did catch lightning in a bottle with the Brunswick pours he decided to unwisely stiff them.  Mo does know his stuff and is accessible but yeah plenty of other companies know their stuff as well.  Have to have the marketing unless your balls are just otherworldly and if they are your deeper pocket competitors are going to have the same ball out in a few months.  Ask Nu-Line.
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