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Aloarjr810

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So Urethane is just a crutch that ruins the shot
on: December 05, 2017, 10:07:11 AM
Phil Cardinale's did a FB live feed shot on Dec. 1st in it he tells what he thinks about urethane and why Radical won't have a urethane ball (at least at the moment).


See about the 17min. mark
https://www.facebook.com/radical.bowling.technologies/videos/1490117054441795/

basically it boiled down to

1-Radical won't have a Urethane (Right Now)
2-People use Urethane as a crutch.
3-You can use a resin ball with a mild drilling and a surface change and it won't ruin the shot as bad as Urethane will.
4-But if your on Radical staff and you want to use Urethane Brunswick makes real good ones.
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Re: So Urethane is just a crutch that ruins the shot
Reply #76 on: December 12, 2017, 03:52:41 AM
Based on David O'Sulovan's video on Facebook, urethane balls often create carrydown from a lack of flaring. Asym cores on urethane might be the way to go.

Also can't believe there are people saying urethane should be banned.

I guess when I bowled a tournament this weekend I ruined the shot with my Purple Pearl Urethane and its carrydown. Funny thing is, a guy that followed my pair beat me for the 8th games by 13. I guess I should "learn" how to take hand out with reactive even though the shape that this ball provides gave me the best opportunity to score.
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Re: So Urethane is just a crutch that ruins the shot
Reply #77 on: December 12, 2017, 08:14:36 AM
I'll tell you what. I'll bowl 2 games with my Booyah on one lane, 2 games with my Incinerate on the other. You tell me what lane is changed more and for the better. Bet you're going to say the urethane one is more playable.

Remember when everyone said to ban resin???
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Re: So Urethane is just a crutch that ruins the shot
Reply #78 on: December 12, 2017, 08:17:10 AM
Based on David O'Sulovan's video on Facebook, urethane balls often create carrydown from a lack of flaring. Asym cores on urethane might be the way to go.
Here's a link to the referenced video

David O'Sullivan: Peak Performance Pro Shop- Tech Talk Urethane Bowling Balls
https://www.facebook.com/david.osullivan.585/videos/10101574004071661/
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Re: So Urethane is just a crutch that ruins the shot
Reply #79 on: December 12, 2017, 09:53:18 AM
I'll tell you what. I'll bowl 2 games with my Booyah on one lane, 2 games with my Incinerate on the other. You tell me what lane is changed more and for the better. Bet you're going to say the urethane one is more playable.

Remember when everyone said to ban resin???

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Re: So Urethane is just a crutch that ruins the shot
Reply #80 on: December 13, 2017, 11:08:03 AM
I'll tell you what. I'll bowl 2 games with my Booyah on one lane, 2 games with my Incinerate on the other. You tell me what lane is changed more and for the better. Bet you're going to say the urethane one is more playable.

Remember when everyone said to ban resin???

Do this on a pair of lanes with a typical house shot with barely 3 units on the gutter and about 18-20mL on the entire lane;

 then do it on a pair of lanes with a 25-29mL tournament shot, and you will have two different answers.

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Re: So Urethane is just a crutch that ruins the shot
Reply #81 on: December 13, 2017, 11:34:00 AM
I'll tell you what. I'll bowl 2 games with my Booyah on one lane, 2 games with my Incinerate on the other. You tell me what lane is changed more and for the better. Bet you're going to say the urethane one is more playable.

Remember when everyone said to ban resin???

Do this on a pair of lanes with a typical house shot with barely 3 units on the gutter and about 18-20mL on the entire lane;

 then do it on a pair of lanes with a 25-29mL tournament shot, and you will have two different answers.



You'll also have 2 different types of bowlers. If you're facing the second pattern, then you aren't going to complain. Also, on that pattern, if you're using urethane (didn't say the length, so I'm going to assume 40 feet) on that, for the majority, you're using the wrong piece of equipment.
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Re: So Urethane is just a crutch that ruins the shot
Reply #82 on: December 13, 2017, 11:47:44 AM

You'll also have 2 different types of bowlers. If you're facing the second pattern, then you aren't going to complain. Also, on that pattern, if you're using urethane (didn't say the length, so I'm going to assume 40 feet) on that, for the majority, you're using the wrong piece of equipment.

You guys do realize this entire thread, is based on a comment made by Phil Cardinale, about what transpired at the WSOB this year, right?


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Re: So Urethane is just a crutch that ruins the shot
Reply #83 on: December 13, 2017, 12:23:22 PM

You'll also have 2 different types of bowlers. If you're facing the second pattern, then you aren't going to complain. Also, on that pattern, if you're using urethane (didn't say the length, so I'm going to assume 40 feet) on that, for the majority, you're using the wrong piece of equipment.

You guys do realize this entire thread, is based on a comment made by Phil Cardinale, about what transpired at the WSOB this year, right?

Yeah and Phil was nice enough to come on here and reply.  Nice guy who knows his stuff but everyone has opinions.  Remember he is in business to sell balls so grain of salt because he is like a staffer on steroids.  Love his products though.
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