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Luke Rosdahl

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Solutions regarding USBC
« on: July 24, 2017, 09:34:17 AM »
So I know we can all talk about what's wrong, but the inevitable reaction is, "well oh yeah, then how would you fix it?"  So how would you fix it?  It's become pretty clear to me the direction that USBC is going, the "future for the sport" mantra itself indicates that they have zero interest in the recreational bowler.  Their whole angle is competitive bowling at whatever level, and I don't think that's going to change anytime soon.  My thought is that if you take care of the people paying the bills, then you have plenty of money left to fund special interests.  Instead, they've chosen to pursue their interests, and want everyone else not supporting that to screw off and go away.  I think we need an entire new organization that will look after the interests of the average league bowler, and not take their money and hand it to the upper 5%.  I know that's a stupidly simple solution, but USBC just keeps getting worse, and show no signs of trending in a positive direction.  The dues increases are just going to further fund their interests, not the interests of who they're supposed to be serving.  They're not going to fix something they don't think is broken. 
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Re: Solutions regarding USBC
« Reply #46 on: July 25, 2017, 01:51:08 PM »
Good points, Avabob.

Walk into any bowling center and observe the reaction of the open play bowlers. The overwhelming majority of them give every appearance that they are having a good time. Contrast that with the reactions of many players bowling in a classic league on bowling night. Many of them look like they are in pain. That's because
scoring well is not the PRIMARY goal of the average open play bowler, but it certainly is with the classic league player. The point being that bowling is easy to learn but it is hard to master (as that old saying goes). All of us who have played  this game at a higher level realize this deep inside. So when WE don't score well (or when our opponent outscores us), there is the human tendency to look outside ourselves for fault. That doesn't make bowlers "bad" people, it is simply the product of human nature.  Most bowlers I know who are leading their (THS) leagues with 235+ averages
show no desire to quit the game unless and until, another teammate ends up the league leader at 238 average. Then the complaints start, about the conditions being too easy.

I treat bowling as a sport. I cannot say that I felt this way the first few times I picked up a house ball as a young lad, but after I caught the (bowling) bug and took it up seriously, that is when it became a sport, and when I joined my first classic league
and donned my King Louie shirt, bowling became a Sport with a capital 'S'.  And so it remains, at least for me, some 55 years later.


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Re: Solutions regarding USBC
« Reply #47 on: July 25, 2017, 03:20:53 PM »
I guess us old guys think alike.  However contrary to what some of the younger guys think I have nothing but respect for the skills if the modern young power players.  We are all products of our environment.  When you and I learned the game the premium was on learning to play the lane where the shot was.  Power was important but it was not possible to over power the pattern so we learned to adjust.  The modern player has had to learn that sheer power is not enough.  The good ones have learned to channel the power and play straighter without sacrificing the power.  Again they are products of the environment and they have learned how to adapt, just in a different way than we did. 

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Solutions regarding USBC
« Reply #48 on: July 25, 2017, 03:40:14 PM »
The dark cosmic bowling prevents cosmic bowlers from joining a USBC because they can not see the dots to bowl better
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Re: Solutions regarding USBC
« Reply #49 on: July 25, 2017, 04:12:10 PM »
As my Grandma would probably say, awwwwww bless you my poor child.  You must have been touched by an Angel.
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Re: Solutions regarding USBC
« Reply #50 on: July 25, 2017, 06:28:10 PM »
The dark cosmic bowling prevents cosmic bowlers from joining a USBC because they can not see the dots to bowl better

Yea, I remember reading somewhere there is a law against that...
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Re: Solutions regarding USBC
« Reply #51 on: July 25, 2017, 09:23:37 PM »
#AFutureForMembership #WhoDoesUSBCWorkFor

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Re: Solutions regarding USBC
« Reply #52 on: July 26, 2017, 06:14:27 AM »
If this isn't a true statement, then I don't know what is.  That's where I got the quote I use every now and then:  CBS Sports - In more homes than the internet. 


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Re: Solutions regarding USBC
« Reply #53 on: July 31, 2017, 08:01:23 PM »
As usual pn this site, lots of belly aching and damn few constructive suggestions on how to fix bowling's problems.

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Re: Solutions regarding USBC
« Reply #54 on: August 01, 2017, 12:19:48 AM »
Agreed Bill. The only problem with Bowling is the bowlers.

As usual pn this site, lots of belly aching and damn few constructive suggestions on how to fix bowling's problems.
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Re: Solutions regarding USBC
« Reply #55 on: August 01, 2017, 04:37:58 AM »
My wife went to the state usbc jamboree last weekend. They had a couple of speakers there from the usbc. The usbc told the people at the jamboree that when they are asked specific questions about sanctioning, awards, etc they are to ask questions back such as how long have you bowled, does your family bowl, etc. Basically not to answer the specific question at all. My wife replied to the usbc speaker no wonder why you have the issues you do because you don't address the questions that people ask.

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Re: Solutions regarding USBC
« Reply #56 on: August 01, 2017, 05:57:34 AM »
"My wife went to the state usbc jamboree last weekend. They had a couple of speakers there from the usbc. The usbc told the people at the jamboree that when they are asked specific questions about sanctioning, awards, etc they are to ask questions back such as how long have you bowled, does your family bowl, etc. Basically not to answer the specific question at all. My wife replied to the usbc speaker no wonder why you have the issues you do because you don't address the questions that people ask."

Typical USBC response....

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Re: Solutions regarding USBC
« Reply #57 on: August 01, 2017, 06:03:04 AM »
USBC, they are salesmen, plain and simple. Their job is to sell a product that nobody really needs, but makes people think they want. And, USBC is damned good at it.

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Re: Solutions regarding USBC
« Reply #58 on: August 01, 2017, 07:48:52 AM »
USBC, they are salesmen, plain and simple. Their job is to sell a product that nobody really needs, but makes people think they want. And, USBC is damned good at it.

aaayyyy, it's only a 25 bucksa, botta boom

^^^^

Doesn't value established rules, averages and league bonding.

Nobody "needs" those things, right?

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Re: Solutions regarding USBC
« Reply #59 on: August 01, 2017, 08:01:23 AM »
My wife went to the state usbc jamboree last weekend. They had a couple of speakers there from the usbc. The usbc told the people at the jamboree that when they are asked specific questions about sanctioning, awards, etc they are to ask questions back such as how long have you bowled, does your family bowl, etc. Basically not to answer the specific question at all. My wife replied to the usbc speaker no wonder why you have the issues you do because you don't address the questions that people ask.

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Re: Solutions regarding USBC
« Reply #60 on: August 01, 2017, 12:28:34 PM »
The rules set forth by ABC / USBC have long been the standard for regulating bowling as a sport. But, any league could establish a set of rules too. As for bonding? I've been in the industry long enough, in the right place(?), to have witnessed, bonding does little or nothing for the league if someone takes off with the money. Averages? With technology today, it would be easy enough to set up a data base.

What USBC has done is, stick their nose where it doesn't belong and that's on the business side of bowling. Who needs them regurgitating what manufacturers can tell us themselves. And, ever noticed how long it takes for USBC to get past the shameless advertising of their product to get to a point?

Here's something that really irks me, certified coaching. It's not so much the learning aspect of becoming a certified coach, USBC turned right around and introduced free instructional dvd's. It stabbed all of those certified coaches squarely in the back. To think, the money that it costs to get certified was at least partially responsible for production of those dvd's.

Don't even get me started on the Learning Center, could go on and on.

Actually, I have been very vocal ever since the advent of short oil and other imposed regulations on the industry.

I can absolutely say, ABC / USBC has done way more harm than good.



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