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xrayjay

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spare ball with pancake vs. bigger core
« on: February 05, 2016, 12:12:45 PM »
Is there a big difference in carry between a spare ball with a pancake core vs. a spare ball with a core?

Last night, I had no good look anywhere in my second shift league. I was further in from everyone else by the end of the first game. In the second, I was still chasing it, and I just could carry the corners.

So I switched to my spare C300, moved right, and had my first turkey of the night. I had a good look but it was too late. The spare had to be high flush in order to carry well.... now......

after leagues I practiced some playing outside with my spare ball. My friend handed me his Hammer spare ball with a core to try it out - I don't know the name of the ball.. taboo?  Anyway, I tried it and the ball rev'd up faster and carried light hits better. But I really couldn't go off by that cause I had to throw slower because his thumb is much larger than mine.

But it made me wonder about maybe getting a spare ball with a core....
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Re: spare ball with pancake vs. bigger core
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2016, 12:38:31 PM »
I believe there is an appreciable difference between a pancake plastic and a "dynamic" plastic ball.  There are several plastic ball events in my area each year, and the rules clearly state that ONLY pancake weight block plastic balls will be permitted.  Some have even argued that the Brunswick Target Zones cannot be used because they do not have a traditional pancake weight block.  However, the Target Zones are usually permitted since so many people have them.  If you show up with a Taboo Spare, Track Spare+, Clear Wolf, Skull ball, or anything else with a non-standard weight block it will not be permitted.  There has to be some concern those types of plastic balls will give the bowler an advantage.
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Re: spare ball with pancake vs. bigger core
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2016, 01:20:15 PM »
wow interesting, thanks for that reply ^^^^.

Maybe I'm better off just sanding the spare ball I have now - to slow it down and hopefully reduce deflection.
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Re: spare ball with pancake vs. bigger core
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2016, 01:51:28 PM »
Quote from: xrayjay on February 05, 2016, 01:20:15 PM
wow interesting, thanks for that reply ^^^^.

Maybe I'm better off just sanding the spare ball I have now - to slow it down and hopefully reduce deflection.

Exactly
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Re: spare ball with pancake vs. bigger core
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2016, 02:33:04 PM »
You could alsso try the PBA PlasticBall Layout:

Info here:
http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/index.php?title=PBA_Plastic_Ball_Layout

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Re: spare ball with pancake vs. bigger core
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2016, 04:37:38 PM »
I'll give you to examples...
One of the staffers I work with, was bowling second shift on a 'hooking' house shot...he struggled with anything & everything...his rev rate is approx 425ish...I drilled his a simple plastic ball, leveraged it and put a 1.125" weight hole 2.5" deep at 6.75" from grip center plus sanded it to 1000...he was able to move right into the friction...he shot 780+ outa the box
A few weeks while teaching in Arkansas...and kidlost and his clan...one of the lanes became quite torched...Eric (ie kid) was able to move right and open up the lane with a 500 grit TZone...it was a cg low and weight hole low...
Anyways a poly with surface will react and the lane doesn't know what's being thrown...it's all about the ball slowing down and angles...
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Re: spare ball with pancake vs. bigger core
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2016, 11:18:03 AM »
Here is the T-zone mentioned. This was shot on a fresh house shot while getting warmed up one day having fun.

On drier conditions I was actually further in and the ball was reacting like a reactive resin ball. The great thing about the plastic ball on truly drier conditions is you can get into the friction a lot more instead of trying to bump the ball off of it. As you will notice in some of the shots when the ball is allowed to slow down properly it will drive through the pins.

According to BP software moving the weight hole down towards the thumb increases the int diff and diff more then the PBA plastic ball layout.

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Re: spare ball with pancake vs. bigger core
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2016, 02:05:12 PM »
Kidlost, that is some green paint in that center!   :P
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Re: spare ball with pancake vs. bigger core
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2016, 03:21:06 PM »
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Re: spare ball with pancake vs. bigger core
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2016, 11:19:25 AM »
I sanded my spare ball to around 1000 grit and bowled on Saturday morning. The lanes are left over from the Friday night men's league which I was hoping for. The ball worked much better, moving like the lanes were tilted to the left guiding my ball to the pocket. Though I left many ten pins, I'm still happy with what I saw. I got away with bad releases too.

For one game, I moved to another pair where a high handicap league bowled the night before. I left pocket 8 10's twice on one lane with corners till I moved outside. and on the other lane I had a good look.

But this is just one day. I'll see how things are and how this spare ball does (if I can throw it right) during leagues if the lanes are toasted again.

Kid,

thanks for the video. pretty cool to see a spare ball move like a reactive ball.
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Re: spare ball with pancake vs. bigger core
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2016, 11:22:58 AM »
You can always try more surface like 500 or 500/1000. Start really far right and adjust from there. It's pretty surprising
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Re: spare ball with pancake vs. bigger core
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2016, 11:50:58 AM »
Quote from: kidlost2000 on February 08, 2016, 11:22:58 AM
You can always try more surface like 500 or 500/1000. Start really far right and adjust from there. It's pretty surprising

I had some minor faint scratches I thought I'd remove, so I started 360, 500, 800, 1000.   Maybe I could of skipped 800.. I'll give 500/1000 try after several games in.
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Re: spare ball with pancake vs. bigger core
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2016, 10:07:42 AM »
There is a noticeable difference between a pancake weight block and a core heavy block in a polyester ball.  However, the shell is still 80% of the reaction.  With the modern high viscosity oils and the volumes being used there is very little difference between the two cores.  They both become helpless on the carrydown.  On shorter low volume patterns the stronger cored balls will rev up and carry better. 
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