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Impending Doom

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"Sport" bowling must die.
on: May 10, 2012, 12:30:54 PM
DISCLAIMER: I love bowling. I love everything about it. This post is about the politics of bowling. Let us just get that out of the way.

Let me start off by saying that I have taken the last 3 years off of league and tournament bowling. Last league was in summer 2009, just before my daughter was born. I open bowled a little when I got time between being a student, husband, and daddy.

I started bowling in a Kegel league this last Tuesday. I walked in without a lick of practice for the last 2 months, and shoed up. First 3 weeks is the USBC pattern. Was super stoked about it. Knew I couldn't just fling it to the ditch and watch it scream back.

I averaged 140 for 4. I moved all over the lane, switched balls 4 times, and couldn't make a spare.

I was still stoked. The thought of working on things to actually get better excited me.

This is what the sport of bowling should be. Hence, the word sport. This got me thinking about how other sports view themselves.

How many pro golfers go and only golf at mini golf courses? How many pro baseball players play T Ball?

You never hear about someone playing sport golf, or sport baseball, or sport football. The activity implies that it's a sport. Only kiddie versions of the sport have another word attached to it. Pee Wee Football, T Ball, Mini Golf.

We need to make the hard decisions, and quit worrying about who leaves the game, and who goes out of business. It's a hole which we as a bowling community have dug for ourselves.

USBC is garbage. We need a governing body willing to take 3 steps back to take 1 step forward. If toughening up conditions will make bowlers leave, let them leave. Integrity doesn't have a member number attached to it.

People will go out of business. Bowlers will leave the sport. It happens. It's HAPPENING. If you don't evolve, your business will die.

Stop calling this little offshoot of bowling "sport bowling". Bowling is a sport.

If you don't want to play the sport, and just pretend you're good, let's call the THS "child's play". Also, go play T Ball at your local park district. Brag about that to your friends. Leave the real bowling to the bowlers. You know, people willing to work for it.

If you're not willing to work at bowling, leave. Bowling doesn't need you. It needs skilled athletes willing to showcase their skills that they've honed by hard work, practice and sacrifice. Everyone that just wants to play like they're good without actually putting in the effort to become good can GTFO for all I care.

I know this will somehow become a rant about equipment, but there are ways to regulate that. It will just take a couple of years to put into effect. Let's take care of one problem at a time.

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Re: "Sport" bowling must die.
Reply #61 on: May 13, 2012, 02:43:20 AM
Not all bowlers want a sport shot! I tried to run a sport league in our center and last year we had about 8 doubles teams and this year we had 3 people sign up! Out of the 8 teams from last year, half came from a different town. We've been putting out the 2012 Open Championship pattern and can't get but a few people to come bowl on it! We have  a 20 lane center and it's the only one in town! Sorry Doom, but we aren't going sport compliant cause we're not shutting our doors down to please you or the others! We do what we can to keep our doors open and we provide a service to the community and not everybody in this small town aspire to bowl in the floundering PBA! The condition of the lanes is not the demise of bowling, because we have people coming in to bowl. We have our league bowlers and we have a lot of seniors and women bowlers.  Just a note, USBC isn't going to mandate sport condition to be sanctioned through them. They are about getting bowlers not losing them and I've always said we'd be better off providing our own awards with the money bowlers have to pay for sanctions! Just think what your local association could do with the $20 a bowler in their account instead of in the USBC's banking account! We have people that said they could make us patches for our awards already! Just my $.02, Bruce
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Reply #62 on: May 13, 2012, 10:03:56 AM
The answer is real simple then when we the bowlers want to take the power back. Money is king, so just get bowlers to refuse to get sanctioned. Done.....

Simplistic but wrong.
Is every league going to re-write the entire rule book? - NO!
Is every league going to follow the treasurer and president around 24/7 to insure they won't steal the funds that the USBC now bonds? - No!
And that's just the beginning.
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Reply #63 on: May 13, 2012, 03:01:52 PM
I do not think that bowling alleys are opened to perpetuate the sport of bowling. Their goal is to make a profit. Most league bowlers that I know are straight wusses. They do not want a challenging shot and would quit if they had to face one every week.

So, in the real world proprietors are just giving the majority of bowlers what they want in order to maximize profit in this really tough economy.

Even if the USBC mandated tougher conditions most proprietors and leagues would not comply and would likely forego membership in order to maintain  profit.

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Reply #64 on: May 13, 2012, 03:07:48 PM
The answer is real simple then when we the bowlers want to take the power back. Money is king, so just get bowlers to refuse to get sanctioned. Done.....

Simplistic but wrong.
Is every league going to re-write the entire rule book? - NO!
Is every league going to follow the treasurer and president around 24/7 to insure they won't steal the funds that the USBC now bonds? - No!
And that's just the beginning.

  If the bowlers want to make a change then the bowlers must put in the work. Mind you this is all hypothetical and will never happen. Considering your reply, it just more evidence that this will never happen. When no one is willing to put forth an extra effort to invoke change than no change will be made. Could bowlers take the responsibility upon themselves, they sure could, but they will not. Just like bonding, the USBC cover some, not all the money. I bowl in a house and the leagues money is 100% bonded as it is a house league. So things are possible, anything is possible if people are willing to put their mind to it.

   Like you said IS it going to happen....NO

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Reply #65 on: May 13, 2012, 03:16:04 PM
Look guys,

 While the initial problem seems simple, it is in that very simplicity that the truth of the matter actually hides, and that, sadly, is that there IS no solution. Not one that anyones found anyway.

 A man named Bill Taylor told us all this was coming, but NOBODY heeded the call he put out DECADES ago about "easy" conditions and high performance balls (plastic at that time), lighter voided pins, and "artificially" inflated scores being detrimental to the sport, and as evidence, I offer this link: http://www.ncausbca.org/bowlmag/archives/bill_taylor--199112.pdf

 So, here we are, a "dysfunctional" family of bowlers, clearly divided along technological lines, and seperated by our philosophical differences of opinions as to how to "fix" our dysfunctionalities.

 It took organized bowling 117 years to get into this shape, so I really don't expect that we could "fix" it overnight. Problem is, once we figure out how to "fix" it (if we do), is there still going to be enough time to save it from dying completely? I'm getting more and more skeptical of this every day.
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Re: "Sport" bowling must die.
Reply #66 on: May 14, 2012, 02:30:23 PM
Juggernaut,

Very interesting article.
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Reply #67 on: May 14, 2012, 06:51:19 PM
I would also agree that the article was interesting.   

The question is do we think that bowling would be saved if the every shot was a sport pattern and we had stuck with old technology and pins?  Would the masses be flocking to watch the pros?
Would the sponsors be lining up?

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Reply #68 on: May 14, 2012, 09:32:35 PM
Of course not.  That's why the whole argument is moot.  Some people have nailed the correct answer.  Both sides must find a way to co-exist.  People get hung up on names and labels.  I don't begrudge the mixed league type bowler who gets his 300 ring on a "easy" condition.  He/she had to carry 12 shots and at least hit the pocket or head pin on all 12.  The shot might have helped him, it may not have.  It sure doesn't take away from my honor scores because I and the people that saw me shoot them know what the shot was like.  Good enough for me.  Why can't that be good enough for others?     
Long Gone also posts the honest truth which is why i respect him. He posts these things knowing some may not like it.

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Re: "Sport" bowling must die.
Reply #69 on: May 14, 2012, 11:07:06 PM
Long Gone Daddy,

Why do you have to be a voice of reason?

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Reply #70 on: May 15, 2012, 07:15:20 AM
A blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while...  :o  8)

Long Gone Daddy,

Why do you have to be a voice of reason?

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Reply #71 on: May 15, 2012, 09:14:36 AM

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Of course not.  That's why the whole argument is moot.  Some people have nailed the correct answer.  Both sides must find a way to co-exist.  People get hung up on names and labels.  I don't begrudge the mixed league type bowler who gets his 300 ring on a "easy" condition.  He/she had to carry 12 shots and at least hit the pocket or head pin on all 12.  The shot might have helped him, it may not have.  It sure doesn't take away from my honor scores because I and the people that saw me shoot them know what the shot was like.  Good enough for me.  Why can't that be good enough for others?     

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Reply #72 on: May 15, 2012, 09:51:24 AM
How much of what Bill Taylor says is inaccurate?  I say not much.

How would the new phenoms do with rubber on similar conditions and with wooden pins?  That would be nice to see.

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Reply #73 on: May 15, 2012, 10:17:13 AM
How much of what Bill Taylor says is inaccurate?  I say not much.

How would the new phenoms do with rubber on similar conditions and with wooden pins?  That would be nice to see.

Sort of like the wooden bat leagues for adult fast pitch baseball that are out there...  I know a few guys that play in them.  That's why college power w/aluminum bats doesn't always translate into pro power with wooden. 
Last Edit: May 15, 2012, 10:19:00 AM by Monster Pike

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Reply #74 on: May 15, 2012, 10:23:52 AM
I understand what you say and agree from my own perspective.  However, bowling cannot survive as a sport without a recreational side any more than golf could.   Truly competitve sport bowling is a niche in the overall business of bowling, just as competitive golf tournaments are a niche in the golf industry. 

We finally have the technology to provide a competitive scoring environment in bowling, but the balls are destroying that environment faster than should happen.  Not unlike allowing football spikes to be worn by golfers on the greens.  That is where some progress needs to be made.   

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Reply #75 on: May 15, 2012, 12:26:29 PM
Unfortunately the only suggestion I have requires money. The only choice I see is every Bowling Center that has sanction leagues, the following would need to occur.  Very similiar to SPORT bowling.

1. If the center has sanction leagues and tournaments. They are required to have a device that would rate oil patterns on the lanes. Imagine if the USBC would have provided loans to centers to get these devices out to the bowling centers, instead of dumping their money into that facility in Texas. Does anyone know what the price of these machines are?

2. Oil must be placed down before sanction leagues. The check would be done prior to the league bowling (Random lanes each week). It would be done by members of the league. Every league would have a committee to check the oil patterns. This is the sanction league members doing their part.

If there are two leagues back to back then the checking of the lanes in the first set should suffice. A special note should be placed for the second shift league, that it is bowling on a second shift.

3.  The oil pattern rating system will be developed by USBC. Any honor scores bowled will be categorized appropriately. All leagues would be aware the oil pattern rating before throwing that night. See instead of the condition placed down to meet Sport Bowling requirements, it would just be rated appropriately. 

4. If a center and league chooses not to do this. They can get all benefits the USBC has. Any honor scores and awards would be catergorized in the category Non Rated. 

Bascially if you want to be recognized for the honor scores you throw, the USBC will recognize it based on the pattern you throw it on.

You throw 50 300 games on easy conditions. You will be recognized for it, but it won't be seen as an equivalent to someone throw 4 on a tougher pattern.


Now for Tournaments:

1. The tournament director would be require to have the oil pattern rated before bowling. If the pattern cannot be rated (monitored) then any honor scores or awards will be recognized as NON Rated.   

2. All games bowled in tournament would be sent to USBC database for Tournament Averages. To establish a Tournament average it would be based on 18 games.

3. Entering averages would be based on highest average from league or tournament past three years. Remember its going to be based on the rated patterns. If a bowler has a NON RATED average. Unfortunately their average would have to be adjusted (pins added) or they cannot participate.

The USBC has to take charge on this matter. They need get going with this. The technology to read oil patterns is available. They are the keepers of the SPORT of BOWLING. Just like in any other sport, integrity must be kept, and that should be the USBC's job.  Lets get things going in the other direction.


What can we do as bowlers? Promote the tough conditions. State we want them. It might be harsh words to those that bowl on SSC (I like it!), but its time we get them out of the dark. Until we do, things will never change.
 

I still prefer taking the ball out of the equation, but regulating and rating the oil pattern is probably the best option we have today.

I for one will be promoting a SPORT LEAGUE next year. It might not be sanctioned, but it is a start.

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