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The PBA
« on: July 19, 2014, 08:11:32 AM »
A friend thats a PBA member got a questionnaire about bowling. One of the questions was ...if the prize fund was $8000.00 how many events will you join? He answered zero. 8 grand? what a sorry state of affairs bowling is in. The PBA is run by idiots. They rape the ball and equipment companies to have their products used on tour. This is why many companies are dropping out..AMF, 900 Global etc... and why other companies like Seismic, Lane#1 etc...never joined. ITS TO EXPENSIVE! Watch Brunswick pull out next. Whos worse? The PBA or the USBC?

 

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Re: The PBA
« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2014, 07:42:02 AM »
I don't think it's just today . . I think I have a problem . .

A little long winded today, eh?
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Re: The PBA
« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2014, 09:51:19 AM »
The first step, whether up or back, to recovery is admitting you have a problem
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Re: The PBA
« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2014, 12:18:54 PM »
Just how much longer or shorter are we making these steps . . cause I'm pretty sure there's an easier way to do it. 

The first step, whether up or back, to recovery is admitting you have a problem
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Re: The PBA
« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2014, 02:10:39 PM »
It doesn't now, never has, and likely never will have anything to do with scoring or lane conditions.  45 years ago scoring was at a lot lower level on both the tour and locally, but there were still dozens of guys in every large association who were scoring as good as the guys on tv. 

I always thought that bowling got the caliber of talent that it paid for on tour.  If tour stops had been paying 100,000 in the 70's and more than 20 guys could make a decent living out there we would probably have seen a pretty major change in faces as the incentive to try the tour increased. 

Bowling is what it is, and there are a lot more forms of participatory entertainment venues available to people now than when I was young.  Bowling still gets a respectable following, that is in some ways dis proportionate to the money, but there is no way it can ever be what it was during the boom of the 50's and 60's

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Re: The PBA
« Reply #35 on: July 22, 2014, 02:25:55 PM »
The only people disappointed by bowling are the people that want it to be something else.  Those that appreciate it for what it is aren't complaining about it.
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Re: The PBA
« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2014, 03:14:13 PM »
^^^^^^^^^B I N G O^^^^^^^^^
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Re: The PBA
« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2014, 03:16:04 PM »
Not issuing a challenge, just asking a question, I respect what you say and am not trying to be argumentative, but isn't a lot of the fun of watching professional sports derived from seeing people do exceptional things that can't be done by the vast majority of the population?  I don't see local guys playing baseball throwing 95mph OR hitting that pitch 425 feet up into the stands.  I don't see city league bball players regularly draining 30 footers or faking people out of their shoes.  But everytime I go to a bowling alley I can see somebody shooting 300 or 800, and regularly hear, "If I was on staff with Storm and got free balls I could be out there too," because they don't understand the real challenge or the skill required.  It's obvious watching other sports that the regular guy isn't going to dunk on a 7 footer, guys can barely hit 70 mph pitches at the batting cages, I know I'm sure as hell not going to blow through a 300 pound lineman or drop a 220 foot shot with a 7 iron a few feet from the cup completely blind and uphill.  Maybe my perspective isn't shared by many, but I don't think many people have any interest in watching something they can do themselves unless they're REALLY into it.  Bowling pros aren't impressive unless you really know your stuff. 

It doesn't now, never has, and likely never will have anything to do with scoring or lane conditions.  45 years ago scoring was at a lot lower level on both the tour and locally, but there were still dozens of guys in every large association who were scoring as good as the guys on tv. 

I always thought that bowling got the caliber of talent that it paid for on tour.  If tour stops had been paying 100,000 in the 70's and more than 20 guys could make a decent living out there we would probably have seen a pretty major change in faces as the incentive to try the tour increased. 

Bowling is what it is, and there are a lot more forms of participatory entertainment venues available to people now than when I was young.  Bowling still gets a respectable following, that is in some ways dis proportionate to the money, but there is no way it can ever be what it was during the boom of the 50's and 60's
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Re: The PBA
« Reply #38 on: July 22, 2014, 03:17:57 PM »
^^^^^^^B I N G O^^^^^^^
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Re: The PBA
« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2014, 05:44:11 PM »
I agree totally Gizmo about wanting to watch athletes do things that the rest of us cant.  My point is that bowling never was that way.  It isn't about guys jumping higher, running faster, or being stronger.  A lot of people watched bowling on tv in the 60's and 70's, and those pros didn't score any better than you could see if you went down and watched the best scratch league in town at the time. 

There was a local golf tournament in town the past weekend.  I didn't go out this year, but in the past I have.  There are normally 20 guys out there who to my eye look like they could be on tour, but none have ever even had a tour card.  They drive the ball long and straight with good looking swings, and they knock down puts.  Of course I understand the difference between Pebble Beach and a 6700 yard muni, but these guys look just as amazing as the guys on tv.  Same with bowling.

Like I said, bowling is what it is.    I love the game, and am sad that not enough others get interested in it to keep it as viable on a competitive level as I would hope     

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Re: The PBA
« Reply #40 on: July 24, 2014, 01:22:43 PM »
I know how good the pros are, I love bowling, yet I still don't care about the PBA or any elite competition.  It just doesn't make for compelling TV.  It's as entertaining as watching a house hack light up rock and glow bowling.
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Re: The PBA
« Reply #41 on: July 24, 2014, 02:07:02 PM »
I would rather bowl than watch on tv, but I feel the same way about golf. 

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Re: The PBA
« Reply #42 on: July 24, 2014, 02:39:02 PM »
In my opinion, I think the back and forth in this thread shows exactly what is wrong with the PBA. It isn't one simple thing, it's a whole bunch of things. Some of it, is the average bowlers aren't compelled to watch cause they don't see the pros as being that much better then them (even though they are). The blue oil thing is nice, but unless houses start doing that around the country, people still won't understand the difference. If you could see how you local THS looked with the blue oil and compare it what the PBA shots look like, then you might get a feel for how much harder the PBA shots are. Some of it is when it's on. ESPN loves having bowling on against the NFL, it's a cheap program for them and it draws better ratings then anything else it could put there (even though the are tiny compared to what bowling used to get on ABC). Some of it is people not caring to watch when they could be out participating. It's all of this combined, plus probably a lot more, that has the PBA where it is today.
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Re: The PBA
« Reply #43 on: July 24, 2014, 05:11:06 PM »
A couple of thoughts come to mind with me.

Issue #1: I see the issue with competitive that it cost too much. A bowler is required to have an arsenal and update it every year. Also, routine maintenance is required for today's balls. This doesn't help either.  All this costs a lot of money.
 
Issue #2: THS is so wide spread now that most bowling centers in the country don't offer anything close to sport patterns. A bowler who only practices on THS is not going to excel on the tougher conditions. Its a huge learning curve. (Not just executing but also the mental side too). 

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Re: The PBA
« Reply #44 on: July 24, 2014, 05:14:56 PM »
Great point on the learning curve Trasheap.  That's the biggest reason some of us old guys hang on and stay competitive longer than we should. I learned my game on a lot of conditions over the years, learning to play many different angles when we didn't have balls that quickly snowplowed a hole in the pattern.   That is a huge advantage on todays sport conditions, particularly out of the gate before guys blow them up