So this whole year I have struggled controlling the backends at one of my houses. I have 20 degrees of tilt, 45-60 rotation, 350 revs and slow speed   13.5 mph off hand.
One the fresh Im fine, but as transition hits and things break down I get killed on the backend. No problems with the heads, just the back end.

Most of my stuff is drilled with 4-5 inch pin to paps. Ive played with surfaces and VAL positions and nothing really helps. Ive tried a 4 inch pin to pap with a P1 hole and still the same.

Im now thinking of maybe drilling a ball with a 2 inch pin to pap or less to try it.....thoughts?

So this whole year I have struggled controlling the backends at one of my houses. I have 20 degrees of tilt, 45-60 rotation, 350 revs and slow speed   13.5 mph off hand.
One the fresh Im fine, but as transition hits and things break down I get killed on the backend. No problems with the heads, just the back end.

Most of my stuff is drilled with 4-5 inch pin to paps. Ive played with surfaces and VAL positions and nothing really helps. Ive tried a 4 inch pin to pap with a P1 hole and still the same.

Im now thinking of maybe drilling a ball with a 2 inch pin to pap or less to try it.....thoughts?

I'm reading this and saying, "What does this mean?" trying to control backends. What specifically are you trying to accomplish? I am rev-dominant and throw the ball at about the same speed.

Are the back-ends flying? Or is your equipment seemingly getting stronger the further into your set that you go?

What is your issue, or perceived issue?

OP, you have tried moving laterally (left) and getting deep, correct?

Other than that I would 2nd extender polish if they're hooking THAT much.

What equipment are you using?

I don't think there is any ball or surface prep that can keep you from moving in as the shot breaks down, unless you want to try urethane.  You are very rev dominant with a high axis rotation.  I am 16 mph off my hand with lower lev rate and I have to chase the oil left on a house shot.

By the way, it isn't the back ends.  The heads break down before the back ends which are dry to begin with.  It makes your ball start up quicker.  You don't see your ball in the heads so it doesn't seem like you are having trouble there.

OP, you have tried moving laterally (left) and getting deep, correct?

Other than that I would 2nd extender polish if they're hooking THAT much.

What equipment are you using?

Yes, doesnt matter how deep....

Quote from: vkowalski1970 on February 27, 2017, 09:29:49 PM

So this whole year I have struggled controlling the backends at one of my houses. I have 20 degrees of tilt, 45-60 rotation, 350 revs and slow speed   13.5 mph off hand.
One the fresh Im fine, but as transition hits and things break down I get killed on the backend. No problems with the heads, just the back end.

Most of my stuff is drilled with 4-5 inch pin to paps. Ive played with surfaces and VAL positions and nothing really helps. Ive tried a 4 inch pin to pap with a P1 hole and still the same.

Im now thinking of maybe drilling a ball with a 2 inch pin to pap or less to try it.....thoughts?

I'm reading this and saying, "What does this mean?" trying to control backends. What specifically are you trying to accomplish? I am rev-dominant and throw the ball at about the same speed.

Are the back-ends flying? Or is your equipment seemingly getting stronger the further into your set that you go?

What is your issue, or perceived issue?

Because of my tilt and rotation, I have no issue pushing the ball down lane and hardly ever fight the heads. the issue is as soon as I see friction, especially when things break down, the ball jerks left hard. There are so many shots that look great and at 55 ft seems to go crazy. I have always fought the issue but seems to be getting worse with the newer balls. Believe it or not I threw a friends Pyramid Blood Moon and the ball is so smooth it was money for me on this condition. It forced me right of where i normally am at that point and didnt jump at the sniff of friction. But they are discountinued. That why im thinking bout a short pin to pap ball to smooth the read of friction or slow the response

ecause of my tilt and rotation, I have no issue pushing the ball down lane and hardly ever fight the heads. the issue is as soon as I see friction, especially when things break down, the ball jerks left hard. There are so many shots that look great and at 55 ft seems to go crazy. I have always fought the issue but seems to be getting worse with the newer balls. Believe it or not I threw a friends Pyramid Blood Moon and the ball is so smooth it was money for me on this condition. It forced me right of where i normally am at that point and didnt jump at the sniff of friction. But they are discountinued. That why im thinking bout a short pin to pap ball to smooth the read of friction or slow the response

Something like this was going to be my recommendation. Going off of the balls you have in your signature pretty much all of them are really strong off the spot. The exception being the Scandal, which isn't much of an option to help you tame down friction. Adding a smoother rolling ball to the ones you have with a layout that doesn't lean towards being jumpy just might do the trick. The X comes to mind as a ball that could help you out a ton.

If you don't understand how to use a short pin to pap ball you better have your spare ball handy.  There will be a lot of flat 10's in your future.

Sometimes the ball isn't the answer...

+1

For a lot of people in this predicament, I feel surface can allow the ball to burn off the excess rotation and tilt.  Unfortunately, there aren't a lot of weaker balls that will don't check up at the first sign of friction.

Urethane can be too early, but then again, I have an older Brunswick Phantom that is pretty strong on today's THS.  I just don't see too many bowlers carry well enough with urethane to justify having it in the bag.