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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #241 on: May 02, 2018, 09:27:10 PM »
My disposition would have changed drastically at Target.

Something along the lines of:

I’m going to tell you this once. Get the (bleep) out of my face.

You have more tact than me. I would have told him to go f*** himself at the bowling alley.

I really try to be non-confrontational. I like the places I bowl at and wouldn’t want to cause trouble for them.

But show up at another place and continue to attack me, then it becomes a threat to me. Time to stop that stuff ASAP. 

Yea, but if as the poster said, I'm open bowling and he wants to bitch to me about my ball in regards to USBC rules? Let's just say I'm not going to be a nice guy about it.

Believe me guys, I wanted to really tell the guy off.  But considering I was already in trouble in the law for possession and detonation of fireworks, I need to play things cool.  Not at all legal in Illinois, whatever   :( 

I did my best just to laugh it off and believe in karma - this dude will eventually get what's coming to him.


That's because this state sucks.

Milo, I want to get a Nationals team together with you and go get into some trouble.
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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #242 on: May 03, 2018, 01:15:28 AM »
My disposition would have changed drastically at Target.

Something along the lines of:

I’m going to tell you this once. Get the (bleep) out of my face.

You have more tact than me. I would have told him to go f*** himself at the bowling alley.

I really try to be non-confrontational. I like the places I bowl at and wouldn’t want to cause trouble for them.

But show up at another place and continue to attack me, then it becomes a threat to me. Time to stop that stuff ASAP. 

Yea, but if as the poster said, I'm open bowling and he wants to bitch to me about my ball in regards to USBC rules? Let's just say I'm not going to be a nice guy about it.

Believe me guys, I wanted to really tell the guy off.  But considering I was already in trouble in the law for possession and detonation of fireworks, I need to play things cool.  Not at all legal in Illinois, whatever   :( 

I did my best just to laugh it off and believe in karma - this dude will eventually get what's coming to him.



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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #243 on: May 03, 2018, 09:15:48 AM »
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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #244 on: May 03, 2018, 09:59:12 AM »
I live in DeKalb. This is truth.

GTGT, wanna get in with me and Milo for a nats team just to cause some trouble?
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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #245 on: May 03, 2018, 10:43:12 AM »
I live in DeKalb. This is truth.

GTGT, wanna get in with me and Milo for a nats team just to cause some trouble?

I honestly would if I weren't committed to a group right now. 
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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #246 on: May 03, 2018, 10:46:02 AM »
My disposition would have changed drastically at Target.

Something along the lines of:

I’m going to tell you this once. Get the (bleep) out of my face.

You have more tact than me. I would have told him to go f*** himself at the bowling alley.

I really try to be non-confrontational. I like the places I bowl at and wouldn’t want to cause trouble for them.

But show up at another place and continue to attack me, then it becomes a threat to me. Time to stop that stuff ASAP. 

Yea, but if as the poster said, I'm open bowling and he wants to bitch to me about my ball in regards to USBC rules? Let's just say I'm not going to be a nice guy about it.

Believe me guys, I wanted to really tell the guy off.  But considering I was already in trouble in the law for possession and detonation of fireworks, I need to play things cool.  Not at all legal in Illinois, whatever   :( 

I did my best just to laugh it off and believe in karma - this dude will eventually get what's coming to him.


That's because this state sucks.

Milo, I want to get a Nationals team together with you and go get into some trouble.

I have four teams heading for Syracuse in July. But next year, I will have room for Vegas if you are interested.

I tend to take a group rather than a single team. For Vegas, there will probably be 6 to 8 teams in my group.


Steven(from this site) has joined us on several occasions, so he can vouch for how much of a bunch of assholes we are.  ;D
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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #247 on: May 03, 2018, 11:00:24 AM »
My disposition would have changed drastically at Target.

Something along the lines of:

I’m going to tell you this once. Get the (bleep) out of my face.

You have more tact than me. I would have told him to go f*** himself at the bowling alley.

I really try to be non-confrontational. I like the places I bowl at and wouldn’t want to cause trouble for them.

But show up at another place and continue to attack me, then it becomes a threat to me. Time to stop that stuff ASAP. 

Yea, but if as the poster said, I'm open bowling and he wants to bitch to me about my ball in regards to USBC rules? Let's just say I'm not going to be a nice guy about it.

Believe me guys, I wanted to really tell the guy off.  But considering I was already in trouble in the law for possession and detonation of fireworks, I need to play things cool.  Not at all legal in Illinois, whatever   :( 

I did my best just to laugh it off and believe in karma - this dude will eventually get what's coming to him.


That's because this state sucks.

Milo, I want to get a Nationals team together with you and go get into some trouble.

I have four teams heading for Syracuse in July. But next year, I will have room for Vegas if you are interested.

I tend to take a group rather than a single team. For Vegas, there will probably be 6 to 8 teams in my group.


Steven(from this site) has joined us on several occasions, so he can vouch for how much of a bunch of assholes we are.  ;D

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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #248 on: May 14, 2018, 09:04:50 AM »
Something similar has already happened.
 
Around 2 years ago to me, I was confronted over the current rules concerning the recent changes to static weights governing no-thumb bowlers who have a thumbhole.  (CG is now in the bridge)

The big problem with that is I was confronted/harrassed by a PBA member when I was bowling during OPEN PLAY.  (Really, it's OPEN PLAY!  Who gives a crap!)  He also gave me crap when I was shopping at a local Target store.  (He's a MUCH larger guy than I am)

I've contacted the PBA as well as local police about the Target incident, but I don't have the correct full name of the guy, but I would think the PBA  could narrow down who it is and have a word with him.

I think in this type of situation you just have to realize you're dealing with a crazy person who, most likely, has problems with himself.  You just have to say whatever is appropriate to diffuse the situation, whether you agree with what you're saying or not.  The goal is just to make that person go away. 

But to that point, I do see someone like BeerLeague (BeerLeague, I AM NOT saying YOU in particular) who is old school, appeals to tradition, "we've always done it this way", "THEY'RE the problem" who IS likely to want to pick a situation over someone simply not tolerating someone who is not playing by the same set of rules. 

Again, I agree the USBC sucks at a lot of things, but you can't have someone competing in sanctioned competition that is playing by their own personal set of regulations.  In non-sanctioned play or tournaments, guys should feel free to use weight holes or super juice ball juicer or whatever that shit is during competition.


I'm pretty laid back .... but here is the thing...... I have seen SO MANY 2 handers CHEAT all the time .... thumholes they may or may not use, flipping the ball around backwards, just tons and tons of BS .... they shoot their honor scores, destroy every pattern they bowl on because they cannot, or refuse to play the pattern straighter until the burn develops, and basically thumb their noses at the rules for YEARS.

I don't means to say all 2 handers are cheaters, BUT there sure has been a lot of rule bending by a lot of them.  You cannot deny those actions are the catalyst for the new rule changes.

Now I have to plug and destroy my equipment because I have been playing by the rules for years?  I'm not going to do it and I am quite sure I'm not alone. What about all the thumbless recreational beer bowlers with their 15 year old resin ball?  You going to tell them its illegal now?  Do you think they care?  Do the league secretaries care?  Do the proprietors?   Who is going to enforce these rules?  THe USBC won't even tape a lane anymore when someone shoots 900.

Its just madness ... and enough noise will be made where the rules will change by the time they are scheduled to be implemented.




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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #249 on: May 14, 2018, 12:11:54 PM »
>Its just madness ... and enough noise will be made where the rules will change by the time they are scheduled to be implemented.

Honestly the only thing that has any chance of getting the USBC to change the rules is if the number of sanctioned leagues falls off a cliff.  Money talks.
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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #250 on: May 14, 2018, 01:10:17 PM »


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Now I have to plug and destroy my equipment because I have been playing by the rules for years?  I'm not going to do it and I am quite sure I'm not alone. What about all the thumbless recreational beer bowlers with their 15 year old resin ball?  You going to tell them its illegal now?  Do you think they care?  Do the league secretaries care?  Do the proprietors?   Who is going to enforce these rules?  THe USBC won't even tape a lane anymore when someone shoots 900.

Its just madness ... and enough noise will be made where the rules will change by the time they are scheduled to be implemented.

I'm with YOU GUYS! I'm not changing a damn thing! Just finished telling one of my drillers on another page......I MIGHT bowl one USBC sanctioned league next season!! MIGHT!! if at all!

All the rest of my leagues will be bowled unsanctioned! USBC can kiss my arse, until they can come up with a way to logically reimburse me for plugging all my equipment!
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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #251 on: May 14, 2018, 01:37:36 PM »


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Now I have to plug and destroy my equipment because I have been playing by the rules for years?  I'm not going to do it and I am quite sure I'm not alone. What about all the thumbless recreational beer bowlers with their 15 year old resin ball?  You going to tell them its illegal now?  Do you think they care?  Do the league secretaries care?  Do the proprietors?   Who is going to enforce these rules?  THe USBC won't even tape a lane anymore when someone shoots 900.

Its just madness ... and enough noise will be made where the rules will change by the time they are scheduled to be implemented.

I'm with YOU GUYS! I'm not changing a damn thing! Just finished telling one of my drillers on another page......I MIGHT bowl one USBC sanctioned league next season!! MIGHT!! if at all!

All the rest of my leagues will be bowled unsanctioned! USBC can kiss my arse, until they can come up with a way to logically reimburse me for plugging all my equipment!

I’m not happy about plugging the weight holes on 6-8 games either. It will have almost no impact on ball performance, so it’s a complete waste of money and effort. I wish the USBC had the balls to just address the 2-handers, who seem to be the primary target of the change.
 
But the bottom line is that the rule isn’t going to change, and bowling non-sanctioned leagues is the equivalent of spitting in the wind. If you’re serious about bowling, you’re probably bowling USBC and/or PBA tournaments, which are out the window if you’re not sanctioned.
 
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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #252 on: May 14, 2018, 02:27:20 PM »

I’m not happy about plugging the weight holes on 6-8 games either. It will have almost no impact on ball performance, so it’s a complete waste of money and effort.


 If it has almost no impact on ball performance, then why drill them with extra holes to begin with?


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I wish the USBC had the balls to just address the 2-handers, who seem to be the primary target of the change.

 I don’t see that, at least not insomuch as the thumbhole/weight hole issue. I am glad, however, that they are getting rid of that “triangle grip” thing.

 Now, making them throw the ball the same way every time I see, but I don’t understand not letting them have an ACTUAL thumbhole in their ball, especially if they shoot spares using the thumb.


 
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But the bottom line is that the rule isn’t going to change, and bowling non-sanctioned leagues is the equivalent of spitting in the wind. If you’re serious about bowling, you’re probably bowling USBC and/or PBA tournaments, which are out the window if you’re not sanctioned.
 
Going overboard on reacting doesn’t accomplish anything.

 Agree with this statement wholeheartedly.
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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #253 on: May 14, 2018, 03:33:32 PM »

 If it has almost no impact on ball performance, then why drill them with extra holes to begin with?




Mostly to conform with the 1 ounce USBC side weight limit. In the vast majority of cases, filling the hole and adding 1-2 ounces of side weight back into the ball isn't going to make a difference that most bowlers will be able to see. There's a very small minority of bowlers who drill extra holes for the expressed purpose maxing out flare, but I question if all that extra imbalance is doing much to improve their scores. So be it.

I don’t see that (mostly addressing the 2-handers), at least not insomuch as the thumbhole/weight hole issue. I am glad, however, that they are getting rid of that “triangle grip” thing.

 Now, making them throw the ball the same way every time I see, but I don’t understand not letting them have an ACTUAL thumbhole in their ball, especially if they shoot spares using the thumb.


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