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Author Topic: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes  (Read 1568 times)

J_w73

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Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« on: May 11, 2010, 05:32:31 PM »
The Neptune seemed to be the ball that everyone recommended for dry or burnt lanes.  Is it still the weakest cover reactive?
How do the Slingshot and Backlashes compare?
Would one of the Urethanes that are out be weaker?
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Edited on 5/12/2010 1:32 AM
375 RPM, 18-19 MPH, 45+ DEG AXIS ROTATION, 15 DEG TILT

 

dizzyfugu

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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2010, 02:21:02 AM »
Urethane is "better" if you prefer a smooth, arcing reaction, the ball will tend top read the lane earlier than a reactive which - even if it is weak - has a more pronounced reaction at the breakpoint and at wet/dry changes. It is probably personal preferrence - but I'f tend to a urethane piece with a core, because it not only offers good performance on drier to dry lanes, but also a different reaction shape than another reactive. Arsenal-wise, I think this would be a benefit, and thankfully there are several options to chose from.

Personally, I'd vote for the Ogre Urethane, and the upcoming Urethane Avalanche sounds promising for a dry lane ball, too. Both should be weaker than reactives, concerning coverstocks.
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notsohotshot

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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2010, 07:41:50 AM »
I personally think that the Power Groove Dry R is the weakest cover on a reactive but since Brunswick has quit making those I have tried the Slingshot and that ball works great on dry lanes and packs a punch also. It has very good carry for a weaker ball. I would have preferred it over the Dry R but that ball has served its purposes. I have some left if anyone is interested. They make good spare balls as well.

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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2010, 07:53:23 AM »

I'll vote the Slingshot. I love using mine anywhere from semi-burnt to toasted conditions. Much less snappy on the backend than most "dry lane" balls.




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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2010, 08:13:33 AM »
I will have to say that the Lane #1 Bullet has to be the weakest reactive cover. It IS discontinued however, but it goes long and doesn't do much on the backend, but the ball still hits. if you want a very weak cover, with the hit of a reactive ball, find a bullet.

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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2010, 08:24:39 AM »
The Neptune is "A" ball that many recommend for dry because, mostly, of the core. The cover is not weak. It also requires a weak drilling.

I'd agree with 2 other posters: the weakest coverstocks I have ever seen were the ones on the Power Groove Dry/R and the Bullet.

My Lane#1 Bullet was weaker in backend than my Desperado and my Hype Urethane. It truly had a urethane type of reaction. Wish I had one today.

Other very weak covers were the Storm Blue Hot Flame and the Dyno-Thane Barrage.

Today I find the Slingshot to be very good on dry-ish lanes, even though I'd never call PK 17 a weak cover. I also find the (original) Storm Hot Rod pearl to be very useful on dry. It has a strong drilling and is still weaker than any Neptune I've seen. So far the Sling shot seems as weak as my Desperado but their ball paths are still different.

Two recent entries into this niche that I haven't yet tried but seem worthy are the Visionary Ogre Urethane and the yet-to-be seee (Intro May 24) Brunswick Avalanche Urethane, a pearl urethane.

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Goof1073

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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2010, 09:26:38 AM »
Try to find an older reactive ball...the just don't make them that weak anymore.  Search around on Ebay or if you throw 15's I know of a NIB Too Hot.
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J_w73

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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2010, 09:37:00 AM »
thanks for the info..
I've heard about the upcoming Avalanche urethane and that does sound pretty promising.


WOW!.. was just on the Bruns site and they have this posted on there..

http://www.bowlwithbrunswick.com/balls/detail/avalanche-urethane/
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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2010, 09:37:52 AM »
It all depends on your style. When we are talking about burnt lanes for me I cannot use any reactive ball. I use a Urethane or Plastic.



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J_w73

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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2010, 09:47:13 AM »
anybody have the BTM slingshot ratings?
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HighGame 300 x 4, High Series 808
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience 185
375 RPM, 18-19 MPH, 45+ DEG AXIS ROTATION, 15 DEG TILT

dizzyfugu

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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2010, 09:55:01 AM »
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I personally think that the Power Groove Dry R is the weakest cover on a reactive.


+1, had one and it was IMHO a great, mild ball. I just did not mention it because it is discontinued and probably hard to get NIB? Would be a hot item, though.
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the pooh

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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2010, 09:58:42 AM »
For what it is worth, here is my take on the Slingshots:Much stronger than I thought it would be for my low speed/ rev dominant style. It hooked a lot more than I had hoped for. Because of the core numbers, I had expected it to be a good replacement for the Lane #1 Chainsaw. It is MUCH stronger than the Chainsaw. Might be that the coverstock is that much stronger. It is also much more angular than I had anticipated. Especially with the drilling that I used, which is somewhat of a control layout recommended to me by Mo Pinel for my speed problem. I actually drilled two of these. The other is a slightly modified Rico layout. I expected it to be early and even, like other Rico''s I''ve done. NOT! It goes longer than the first, then flips on the backend. First, I tried knocking the factory polish off by going to 4000 AB, then 2000 AB. That just made the ball flat hook too much. Ended up getting the most useable look with 4000 AB + Extender Polish + Delayed Reaction. Still, I need carry down to use this ball. Much better ball than the Power Grooves it replaces. Even with the problems I had, the real core gives it a much more controllable breakpoint than the Power Grooves. For me, Powerkoil 17 is not much weaker than 18. At least on the conditions I bowl on. There seems to be an oil shortage. Still, A Great entry level offering from The Big B!

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Drilling Angle 85  
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 I agree with Dizzy, urethane(Natural and Desperado and old Vionary Amulet Glow) along with Lane #1 XXXL Starburst and the Chainsaw are my best dry lane choices. Though a good ball, avoid the AMF Hype urethane, it is MUCH stronger than the others and flares more also.
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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2010, 10:08:32 AM »
I have had alot of luck with an AMF Smoke. That is the smoothest reactive ball I have ever thrown.

J_w73

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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2010, 10:20:39 AM »
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It all depends on your style. When we are talking about burnt lanes for me I cannot use any reactive ball. I use a Urethane or Plastic.



I''m leaning towards the Avalanche Urethane when it comes out.

The Avalanche Urethane looks promising , C-24 on the Brunswick Ball Comparison Chart. Other than the Tzones and Visaballs that is the weakest ball they have had in a long time. Smoothest arcing as well.

Looks like it will be just a bit above a plastic. I think what a lot of people are looking for.
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HighGame 300 x 4, High Series 808
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience 185


Edited on 5/12/2010 10:27 AM
375 RPM, 18-19 MPH, 45+ DEG AXIS ROTATION, 15 DEG TILT

ImBackInTheGame

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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2010, 10:22:42 AM »
The original Lane #1 chainsaw is fantastic.  I can use it on almost any condition but really shines when it's dry.  I used it on wood lanes that seriously hadn't been oiled in a week.  I had to move way left (right handed) and throw around center arrow and it had decent length and had a great controllable backend movement.  If I tried to throw anything else it would not stay on the right side of the head pin no matter my speed.  Sure I could probably change my hand position and some other variables but the chainsaw allowed me to play my "a" game on the dryest of dry conditions.