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J_w73

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Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« on: May 11, 2010, 05:32:31 PM »
The Neptune seemed to be the ball that everyone recommended for dry or burnt lanes.  Is it still the weakest cover reactive?
How do the Slingshot and Backlashes compare?
Would one of the Urethanes that are out be weaker?
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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2010, 10:33:03 AM »
Any love for the Hammer Backlash?


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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2010, 10:53:32 AM »
I will be drilling a blue/silver Hammer Backlash as soon as it comes in. Will let you know how it compares.
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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2010, 10:55:10 AM »
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Any love for the Hammer Backlash?


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From my perspective, FWIW, even the review in BTM made it seem nowhere near as weak as some of the others being discussed here. The Red/Purple is weak by Hammer standards and I can see some of their professionals who are capable of a good deal of speed using it well on dry lanes. But for those of us who can't garner more than 16/17 mph in the heads, it's just not as weak as the some of these others.
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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2010, 10:58:11 AM »
900 Global Link, weak cover with high RG, low diff, mild asymmetric. IMO the best dry lane reactive available.
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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2010, 11:50:35 AM »
Neptune is definitely not the weakest reactive out there.  I see people having to swing it on a drier THS.
There is a bit of a gap right now between the Urethane shape and whatever the weakest reactive ball is.  I find myself using Urethane on dry and burnt lanes frequently, but sometimes I simply want a touch less backend, with the same clean fronts that reactives provide.  Urethane "does it's damage" in the fronts/mids.  Despite this gap, when push comes to shove, I go with the Urethane.
I will be checking out the Slingshot to see how it fares soon.  I've seen folks (even the ones that launch the ball!) unable to keep Razyrs and Tropicals from going through the face.  They react so much on the backend because they save so much energy.
I've been told by better that the key to dealing with this is really learning proper hand adjustments, but that's not a 5 minute lesson, now is it??  If it were, we'd all be Walter Ray!
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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2010, 11:58:11 AM »
Gotta agree with this one....

My Slingshot, Avalanche Slide, Cherry Vibe, Tropical Storm and Neptune all are snappier (in descending order) on dry lanes than the Smoke. Great ball for dry lanes if you prefer reactive over urethane.

Have seen others have good luck with a Razyr...but haven't thrown one myself.


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I have had alot of luck with an AMF Smoke. That is the smoothest reactive ball I have ever thrown.
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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2010, 12:18:48 PM »
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Neptune is definitely not the weakest reactive out there.  I see people having to swing it on a drier THS.
There is a bit of a gap right now between the Urethane shape and whatever the weakest reactive ball is.  I find myself using Urethane on dry and burnt lanes frequently, but sometimes I simply want a touch less backend, with the same clean fronts that reactives provide.  Urethane "does it's damage" in the fronts/mids.  Despite this gap, when push comes to shove, I go with the Urethane.
I will be checking out the Slingshot to see how it fares soon.  I've seen folks (even the ones that launch the ball!) unable to keep Razyrs and Tropicals from going through the face.  They react so much on the backend because they save so much energy.
I've been told by better that the key to dealing with this is really learning proper hand adjustments, but that's not a 5 minute lesson, now is it??  If it were, we'd all be Walter Ray!
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Not quite sure if this is what you are saying but my dilema is that urethane , even though it is weaker, does tend to be earlier. Sometimes too early for me which leads to bad angles at the back and bad carry.
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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2010, 12:25:21 PM »
I have an older Columbia 300 Scout reactive (prior to the Ebonite acquisition) that is very good on dry or burnt conditions.
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J_w73

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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2010, 12:26:07 PM »
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Gotta agree with this one....

My Slingshot, Avalanche Slide, Cherry Vibe, Tropical Storm and Neptune all are snappier (in descending order) on dry lanes than the Smoke. Great ball for dry lanes if you prefer reactive over urethane.

Have seen others have good luck with a Razyr...but haven't thrown one myself.


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I have had alot of luck with an AMF Smoke. That is the smoothest reactive ball I have ever thrown.


So you are saying that your slingshot has more backend than your cherry vibe??
From what I have seen the Cherry Vibe seems stronger than just about all those balls you listed.
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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2010, 01:11:53 PM »
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Gotta agree with this one....

My Slingshot, Avalanche Slide, Cherry Vibe, Tropical Storm and Neptune all are snappier (in descending order) on dry lanes than the Smoke. Great ball for dry lanes if you prefer reactive over urethane.

Have seen others have good luck with a Razyr...but haven't thrown one myself.


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I have had alot of luck with an AMF Smoke. That is the smoothest reactive ball I have ever thrown.



How is the carry with the pancake core?  I wouldn't mind seeing a ball with the Smoke cover and the Hype core, or maybe even the Orbit Extremes.  To me the Slingshot looks pretty close the 2nd gen Orbit Extremes - slightly higher RG on the Slingshot.



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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2010, 01:35:08 PM »
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Neptune is definitely not the weakest reactive out there.  I see people having to swing it on a drier THS.
There is a bit of a gap right now between the Urethane shape and whatever the weakest reactive ball is.  I find myself using Urethane on dry and burnt lanes frequently, but sometimes I simply want a touch less backend, with the same clean fronts that reactives provide.  Urethane "does it's damage" in the fronts/mids.  Despite this gap, when push comes to shove, I go with the Urethane.
I will be checking out the Slingshot to see how it fares soon.  I've seen folks (even the ones that launch the ball!) unable to keep Razyrs and Tropicals from going through the face.  They react so much on the backend because they save so much energy.
I've been told by better that the key to dealing with this is really learning proper hand adjustments, but that's not a 5 minute lesson, now is it??  If it were, we'd all be Walter Ray!
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Not quite sure if this is what you are saying but my dilema is that urethane , even though it is weaker, does tend to be earlier. Sometimes too early for me which leads to bad angles at the back and bad carry.
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Exactly why, for my Desperado, (a pearl urethane, by the way), I put the pin above the ring and put the MB in a semi-strong position. It has a good core with a mild degree of mass bias. I als oadded a light polish to it. Both help it retain energy, more than non-mass bias solid urethane balls. I  put a longer pin-PAP with also a high pin on my Hype urethane and it's still earlier and hooks a lot more than my Desperado.


Any other urethane I get I will also use a "flippy" drilling with a long pin-PAP to help it get length and add as much backend as I can.

They will still be earlier than a mild pearl resin, but they also hook less and have less backend. And be much easier control altogether.

If I could get a new 15 lb Lane#1 Bullet with decent specs and at a decent price, I'd buy one immediately.
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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2010, 01:40:10 PM »
I have a 15lb used dry r in mint shape if anyone is interested.  single drill rh, pin very high.
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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2010, 01:41:11 PM »
Tornado warning, Scout reactive, Emerald Vibe, AMF Smoke.
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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2010, 01:43:50 PM »
My Dry R snapped a ton on dry lanes.  V2 dry was better, more even backend.  Still can't beat urethane.
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Re: Weakest cover reactive ball for dry lanes
« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2010, 02:53:20 PM »
Could just be match-ups...all drilled exactly the same with OOB prep. My Slingshot (as was the Slide) is extremely angular off very dry boards. The Vibe, for me, slightly less.

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Gotta agree with this one....

My Slingshot, Avalanche Slide, Cherry Vibe, Tropical Storm and Neptune all are snappier (in descending order) on dry lanes than the Smoke. Great ball for dry lanes if you prefer reactive over urethane.

Have seen others have good luck with a Razyr...but haven't thrown one myself.


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I have had alot of luck with an AMF Smoke. That is the smoothest reactive ball I have ever thrown.


So you are saying that your slingshot has more backend than your cherry vibe??
From what I have seen the Cherry Vibe seems stronger than just about all those balls you listed.
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