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milorafferty

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Well color me amazed...
« on: March 14, 2018, 04:31:33 PM »
USBC finally did something right. I just received an email with this message;


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This email is to let you know a league you participated in during the 2016-2017 season has been re-classified to a Challenge designation on BOWL.com’s Find A Member.  This was for the P B A - Experience. We have been notifying your league officers of this designation change due to average differentials over the last few weeks. We recently corrected this designation and wanted to make you are aware of the change. You’ll notice when logging into Find A Member that the Challenge designation now is there, as well as the average conversion.


I bowled in this league for several years and the members didn't want it listed as a sport league. Some of them used the lower average to enter the USBC Open a few different times. It was their only "sanctioned" league.


But I can see when USBC couldn't decipher the code, it's not like the name of the league gave it away... :o
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Re: Well color me amazed...
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2018, 07:54:32 PM »
USBC is scanning all averages and if bowlers have large differentials between leagues, they determine the lower avg league as challenge. Our house had the same thing happen. But we use the same pattern nightly and some bowlers have different avgs night to night. They tried to designate a fun league as challenge when the bowlers really just aren't trying compared to a competitive league.
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Re: Well color me amazed...
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2018, 08:31:34 PM »
Quote from: tkkshop on March 14, 2018, 07:54:32 PM
USBC is scanning all averages and if bowlers have large differentials between leagues, they determine the lower avg league as challenge. Our house had the same thing happen. But we use the same pattern nightly and some bowlers have different avgs night to night. They tried to designate a fun league as challenge when the bowlers really just aren't trying compared to a competitive league.

Always going to be people and even whole leagues scamming the system as long as you have handicap and money together.  To each his own but makes a strong case for avoiding putting much of your money at risk in anything less than a scratch setting.   Still good for the USBC for trying to make it a bit fairer I suppose.  Sure its the dutch boy plugging the leaky dike (come on no jokes, too lazy to find another metaphor) but kudos still.
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Re: Well color me amazed...
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2018, 07:36:13 AM »
We have an issue with our Travel League. We were sent a letter also and said we were being looked at for a re-classification also, but the funny thing is is that we may travel from center to center, but we bowl on the centers THS. Their reasoning is that because the league travels from center to center, its more difficult. Even though many of us still avg close to our normal THS avg, i dont see how they could re classify us if all we bowl on is THS and not sport compliant shots.
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Re: Well color me amazed...
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2018, 11:04:09 AM »
Quote from: Bowl_Freak on March 15, 2018, 07:36:13 AM
We have an issue with our Travel League. We were sent a letter also and said we were being looked at for a re-classification also, but the funny thing is is that we may travel from center to center, but we bowl on the centers THS. Their reasoning is that because the league travels from center to center, its more difficult. Even though many of us still avg close to our normal THS avg, i dont see how they could re classify us if all we bowl on is THS and not sport compliant shots.

USBC is having to tip toe around the BPAA and come up with these mental gymnastics as they have no control over what THS is put down at centers.
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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2018, 11:20:08 AM »
Quote from: Bowl_Freak on March 15, 2018, 07:36:13 AM
We have an issue with our Travel League. We were sent a letter also and said we were being looked at for a re-classification also, but the funny thing is is that we may travel from center to center, but we bowl on the centers THS. Their reasoning is that because the league travels from center to center, its more difficult. Even though many of us still avg close to our normal THS avg, i dont see how they could re classify us if all we bowl on is THS and not sport compliant shots.


Sorry, but I disagree. Just because it's a "house shot" doesn't make it less of a challenge when you don't know how it plays. You can put the exact same pattern down in every bowling alley in the U.S. and it would play differently for each house. Of course that could be said about "lane to lane" differences as well, but every house has it's own characteristics and that shows up in the scoring.


Yea, yea, I know. "Good" bowlers can find the shot well before shadow ends.





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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2018, 11:28:39 AM »
Quote from: milorafferty on March 15, 2018, 11:20:08 AM
Quote from: Bowl_Freak on March 15, 2018, 07:36:13 AM
We have an issue with our Travel League. We were sent a letter also and said we were being looked at for a re-classification also, but the funny thing is is that we may travel from center to center, but we bowl on the centers THS. Their reasoning is that because the league travels from center to center, its more difficult. Even though many of us still avg close to our normal THS avg, i dont see how they could re classify us if all we bowl on is THS and not sport compliant shots.


Sorry, but I disagree. Just because it's a "house shot" doesn't make it less of a challenge when you don't know how it plays. You can put the exact same pattern down in every bowling alley in the U.S. and it would play differently for each house. Of course that could be said about "lane to lane" differences as well, but every house has it's own characteristics and that shows up in the scoring.


Yea, yea, I know. "Good" bowlers can find the shot well before shadow ends.

Good point.  Topography and surface can be just as important as pattern if not more. 
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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2018, 11:58:16 AM »
Ah, so I guess USBC is finally paying attention and trying to actually get it right.

Today email;



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This is a correction to the email you received yesterday. We apologize for any confusion the first email has caused.


This email is to let you know a league you participated in during the 2016-2017 season has been re-classified to a Sport designation on BOWL.com’s Find A Member.  This was for the P B A - Experience. We have been notifying your league officers of this designation change due to average differentials over the last few weeks. We recently corrected this designation and wanted to make you are aware of the change. You’ll notice when logging into Find A Member that the Sport designation now is there, as well as the average conversion.
 
For further information on Sport or Challenge lane conditions and averages, visitwww.BOWL.com/SportBowling.
 
Regards,
USBC Membership Team


This is what it SHOULD be, Sport, not Challenge as the previous email stated.


The league uses PBA Animal, PBA Named(Earl Anthony, Dick Weber etc.) and USBC Open Championships patterns. Some are older versions, some are new, but none are anything close to a house shot.  Now, if they would take it back at least to the 2014-2015 season it would be correct.
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Re: Well color me amazed...
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2018, 01:02:49 PM »
Quote from: HackJandy on March 15, 2018, 11:28:39 AM
Quote from: milorafferty on March 15, 2018, 11:20:08 AM
Quote from: Bowl_Freak on March 15, 2018, 07:36:13 AM
We have an issue with our Travel League. We were sent a letter also and said we were being looked at for a re-classification also, but the funny thing is is that we may travel from center to center, but we bowl on the centers THS. Their reasoning is that because the league travels from center to center, its more difficult. Even though many of us still avg close to our normal THS avg, i dont see how they could re classify us if all we bowl on is THS and not sport compliant shots.


Sorry, but I disagree. Just because it's a "house shot" doesn't make it less of a challenge when you don't know how it plays. You can put the exact same pattern down in every bowling alley in the U.S. and it would play differently for each house. Of course that could be said about "lane to lane" differences as well, but every house has it's own characteristics and that shows up in the scoring.


Yea, yea, I know. "Good" bowlers can find the shot well before shadow ends.

Good point.  Topography and surface can be just as important as pattern if not more. 

While i do agree that not all houses play the same, you have to take into effect what ratio they put down for each house shot. If its more that a certain ratio, i can see. But if most houseshots are 12:1 or 15:1, they have to give a variance to determine classification and each center should be required to submit their house shot ratio and pattern to USBC. Then if they want to alter/change it during the year, they should submit changes to USBC. I see that almost all houses i go to, the THS is always in the same area to start and as the only differences i see between centers is how the oil transitions.
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Re: Well color me amazed...
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2018, 03:13:28 PM »
I got the same email reclassifying ones of my leagues to a challenge league.  I have no problem with this but it isn't because of the pattern being put down that scoring is low in this league.  It is because of horrible approaches!!!  Also for 3 or 4 of the weeks during the season NO pattern was put down because the machine was broken or malfunctioning. Granted it was only 3 or 4 weeks of a 36 week season but it did bring the averages down somewhat, not to mention the affect it had on morale and confidence in the shot in the following weeks.

The email also stated the league officers and center management were notified as well.  I'm not sure if they will do anything about it or if they even can.  I think the problem with the approaches might be temperature control/humidity related and I don't think they have the money to fix it.
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« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2018, 03:43:14 PM »
Quote from: rocky61201 on March 15, 2018, 03:13:28 PM
I got the same email reclassifying ones of my leagues to a challenge league.  I have no problem with this but it isn't because of the pattern being put down that scoring is low in this league.  It is because of horrible approaches!!!  Also for 3 or 4 of the weeks during the season NO pattern was put down because the machine was broken or malfunctioning. Granted it was only 3 or 4 weeks of a 36 week season but it did bring the averages down somewhat, not to mention the affect it had on morale and confidence in the shot in the following weeks.

The email also stated the league officers and center management were notified as well.  I'm not sure if they will do anything about it or if they even can.  I think the problem with the approaches might be temperature control/humidity related and I don't think they have the money to fix it.

Seems like the USBC doesn't have a very good handle on just how much financial trouble many centers are in.  Rules are great until the lanes disappear.
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