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J_w73

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Which urethane ball is best for use as a spare ball
« on: October 01, 2014, 06:11:35 PM »
I am trying to fill two spots in my bag with one ball.  Which urethane ball would be best to be used as a super dry lane ball and a spare ball?  I know there are solid, pearl, and hybrid urethanes. Which version could be made the tamest and smoothest by polishing or any other method?  Would a low RG drilling (short pin to PAP) be best to avoid any possible down lane flip?

Recommendations on ball, cover prep, and layout please.
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Re: Which urethane ball is best for use as a spare ball
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2014, 07:51:34 PM »
I am trying to fill two spots in my bag with one ball.  Which urethane ball would be best to be used as a super dry lane ball and a spare ball?  I know there are solid, pearl, and hybrid urethanes. Which version could be made the tamest and smoothest by polishing or any other method?  Would a low RG drilling (short pin to PAP) be best to avoid any possible down lane flip?

Recommendations on ball, cover prep, and layout please.

I believe one can't make such a recommendation without knowing whether
1. You're a cranker, tweener or stroker AND
2. You're speed dominant, matched revs/speed, or rev dominant.

All 9 variations have different needs. Some are different enough not to overlap.

I am a tweener & rev dominant. My best urethane driest lanes strike ball is the Blue Hammer (but I already have an original Desperado). My best urethane spare ball would be the Mix pearl (but I still prefer a plastic spare ball).
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Re: Which urethane ball is best for use as a spare ball
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2014, 07:57:30 PM »
You could take a polyester ball and scuff it and get a better reaction than a urethane...most urethane will 'hook' early and burn up in the back part of the lane...not an optimum reaction
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Re: Which urethane ball is best for use as a spare ball
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2014, 08:03:45 PM »
Specific to your answer, I've used my Burgundy Hammer as a spare ball and one to use on drier lane conditions. The ball, which I purchased in 1995, was drilled straight-up, but I've since had a weight hole drilled to allow it to pick up a little sooner. According to a Facebook conversation I had with Bill Hall, who designed the Blue Hammer, he told me the RG on the ball (Burgundy Hammer) was 2.52 and the differential was about an .020.

You can always put some shine on a urethane ball, which would enable it to skid farther down the lane. This was a common thing done back in the day, say, with the Columbia U-Dot: dull finish (first ball), shiny finish (spare ball).
« Last Edit: October 01, 2014, 09:52:42 PM by spencerwatts »
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Re: Which urethane ball is best for use as a spare ball
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2014, 08:46:46 PM »
I am trying to fill two spots in my bag with one ball.  Which urethane ball would be best to be used as a super dry lane ball and a spare ball?  I know there are solid, pearl, and hybrid urethanes. Which version could be made the tamest and smoothest by polishing or any other method?  Would a low RG drilling (short pin to PAP) be best to avoid any possible down lane flip?

Recommendations on ball, cover prep, and layout please.

I believe one can't make such a recommendation without knowing whether
1. You're a cranker, tweener or stroker AND
2. You're speed dominant, matched revs/speed, or rev dominant.

All 9 variations have different needs. Some are different enough not to overlap.

I am a tweener & rev dominant. My best urethane driest lanes strike ball is the Blue Hammer (but I already have an original Desperado). My best urethane spare ball would be the Mix pearl (but I still prefer a plastic spare ball).


I'm pretty matched as far as rev/speed....375 revs, 18-19 mph off my hand. 
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Re: Which urethane ball is best for use as a spare ball
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2014, 08:48:52 PM »
You could take a polyester ball and scuff it and get a better reaction than a urethane...most urethane will 'hook' early and burn up in the back part of the lane...not an optimum reaction

Do you think a polyester with a core might be a better choice than a urethane with a weak core or pancake?  I hadn't thought of that until you mentioned polyester.
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Re: Which urethane ball is best for use as a spare ball
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2014, 08:57:03 PM »
I would vote for a weak (pancake) core urethane.  For me, the urethane gives just enough grab when shooting my corners to take advantage of the dry outside boards if I miss a little outside.  The weak core does not over-react to dryer boards.
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Re: Which urethane ball is best for use as a spare ball
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2014, 09:17:23 PM »
I am trying to fill two spots in my bag with one ball.  Which urethane ball would be best to be used as a super dry lane ball and a spare ball?  I know there are solid, pearl, and hybrid urethanes. Which version could be made the tamest and smoothest by polishing or any other method?  Would a low RG drilling (short pin to PAP) be best to avoid any possible down lane flip?

Recommendations on ball, cover prep, and layout please.

I believe one can't make such a recommendation without knowing whether
1. You're a cranker, tweener or stroker AND
2. You're speed dominant, matched revs/speed, or rev dominant.

All 9 variations have different needs. Some are different enough not to overlap.

I am a tweener & rev dominant. My best urethane driest lanes strike ball is the Blue Hammer (but I already have an original Desperado). My best urethane spare ball would be the Mix pearl (but I still prefer a plastic spare ball).


I'm pretty matched as far as rev/speed....375 revs, 18-19 mph off my hand. 

I had a Blue/Black Polar Ice (a hybrid) as  spare ball for a while. Overall, because I face medium-light to light oil, and I am rev dominant, it just hooked too much for me.I returned to my polyester/plastic ball, but I sanded it to 4000 grit for more consistency.

Because you are rev/speed matched, a urethane could be a good spare ball for you. If you can modify your release for 10 pins and similar, you could possibly use a ball like the Blue Hammer (real dynamic but very weak core) or the SuperNatural (stronger core but weaker surface than the BH) for true dry lane strike ball and for a spare ball. A SuperNatural has more length and much more backend than the Blue Hammer, but I found the Blue Hammer harder hitting (FOR ME).
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Re: Which urethane ball is best for use as a spare ball
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2014, 09:47:32 PM »
I just got a Natural from someone for free, it's been great for me. The 10 has never been this easy and I even shot 924 for 4 games of practice on a burnt pair

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Re: Which urethane ball is best for use as a spare ball
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2014, 01:35:13 AM »
You can leverage the core and put a hole at 6.75" to increase the flare but if there is enough friction and you're bowking on synthetics a polyester will react well...it will allow you to close down your angles easier and still get some movement down lane
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Re: Which urethane ball is best for use as a spare ball
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2014, 08:00:31 AM »
I agree with Ric here.  I have tried to use urethane on dry lanes (burned up) and the balls generally puke out half way down the lane.  And when I do get it through the heads, the recovery is inconsistent. 

I have better luck with plastic or older weak resin.  Urethane for me is a good option on shorter patterns.

And I too am somewhat matched at 17.5-19 mph and 375-400 rpm.

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Re: Which urethane ball is best for use as a spare ball
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2014, 08:47:41 AM »
I first posted using a Burgundy Hammer as a spare ball option (that I've used shooting pot games). I also use a Brunswick Slingshot (pin/down) as a spare ball option (on sport compliant/flat patterns).
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Re: Which urethane ball is best for use as a spare ball
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2014, 09:13:39 AM »
Plastic works

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-jnEhAGic0

Urethane is an option as well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylplbarn8GQ

I have a NIB 15lb Brunsiwck red Groove Urethane Ploished if interested. (pancake weightblock)
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Re: Which urethane ball is best for use as a spare ball
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2014, 09:57:56 AM »
The key to all this is the definition of dry. Everyone has different views when they think the lanes are dry.
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Re: Which urethane ball is best for use as a spare ball
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2014, 12:31:18 PM »
I use an Ebonite Gyro from 1991 that is used for 4/7 and 7 pin conversions(lefty). When the lanes are extremely dry,the Gyro does pretty good without burning up.
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