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J_w73

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Best Motiv ball for oil
« on: February 08, 2016, 04:18:01 PM »
Need opinions for the best heavy oil ball from Motiv.  I bought a used Raptor Talon and it just doesn't cut it in oil. I can dull it down and it will be earlier but it isn't any better than any of the other balls I have from Motiv. Cover is odd that it doesn't really dull down that much, even when I sand it to 500 grit. Seems to shine right back up rather quickly.

I threw someone's Jackal and it seemed like it hooked more on oil when my other balls weren't moving..

Right now I think that is what I am going to try. 

What about the Revolt Havoc?  I heard that ball is like a Storm Marvel S.

Or The Jackal Carnage, how is that ball different than the Jackal?
375 RPM, 17-18 MPH, 45+ DEG AXIS ROTATION, 17 DEG TILT

 

ThomasBowling

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Re: Best Motiv ball for oil
« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2016, 01:56:53 PM »


thanks for the info.. How do you have your Jackal drilled?  I talked to a guy that hates the Carnage.  He said it hooks at your feet and did nothing at all down lane.  I'm sure there wasn't enough oil for it maybe??  I didn't see it, so I'm not sure how it looked.  Strong solids tend to not get down the lane for me so that is why I'm leaning toward the Jackal.

Well I'm pretty new to bowling. But I think it's a pin up layout I have. Drilled by Tore Torgersen.
Pin up is when the middle & ring finger holes is under the dot right? And pin down is when the dot is under them?
What is it called when the dot is off to the right of them?

I'm thinking that your friend tried it out on very dry conditions. Highly doubt there is any ball out there that would hook right away on heavy oil.

Most used:
Motiv Venom Shock (14)
DV8 Grudge Hybrid (14)
Hammer Scandal (14)
DV8 Freakshow (14)

Sometimes.
C300 Swerve (14)
Motiv Jackal LE (14)

Retired:
Roto Grip Sinister (13)
Motiv Jackal (14)

Given to a no-thumber in the club:
Brunswick T-zone (13)

Might stick with Motiv from now on.

J_w73

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Re: Best Motiv ball for oil
« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2016, 02:06:06 PM »


thanks for the info.. How do you have your Jackal drilled?  I talked to a guy that hates the Carnage.  He said it hooks at your feet and did nothing at all down lane.  I'm sure there wasn't enough oil for it maybe??  I didn't see it, so I'm not sure how it looked.  Strong solids tend to not get down the lane for me so that is why I'm leaning toward the Jackal.

Well I'm pretty new to bowling. But I think it's a pin up layout I have. Drilled by Tore Torgersen.
Pin up is when the middle & ring finger holes is under the dot right? And pin down is when the dot is under them?
What is it called when the dot is off to the right of them?

I'm thinking that your friend tried it out on very dry conditions. Highly doubt there is any ball out there that would hook right away on heavy oil.



You are correct about the pin up and pin down.    Not sure there is a name for the pin to the right or in line with the finger holes. 
375 RPM, 17-18 MPH, 45+ DEG AXIS ROTATION, 17 DEG TILT

ThomasBowling

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Re: Best Motiv ball for oil
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2016, 06:23:02 PM »
So the Jackal is not good for heavy oil, might be why they made the Carnage.
Unless you got high rev rate and good with the other stuff that makes the balls friction a lot, then the Jackal will barelly hook on heavy oil.
At yeasterday's practice there was a lot of oil, and even when I managed to get a good rotation on the ball and all that the ball still wouldn't hook much.
I had to stand to the right of the middle, and aim for around the 2nd mark.

Glad I'm buying 2 solid balls soon.
(C300 Swerve and Hammer Scandal)

Most used:
Motiv Venom Shock (14)
DV8 Grudge Hybrid (14)
Hammer Scandal (14)
DV8 Freakshow (14)

Sometimes.
C300 Swerve (14)
Motiv Jackal LE (14)

Retired:
Roto Grip Sinister (13)
Motiv Jackal (14)

Given to a no-thumber in the club:
Brunswick T-zone (13)

Might stick with Motiv from now on.

spmcgivern

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Re: Best Motiv ball for oil
« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2016, 08:32:12 AM »
The Jackal is pretty strong.  Are you sure you are playing in the correct part of the lane?  Is your heavy oil short or long?  Was a different ball more successful than the Jackal for you?  These are things that can affect the perceived performance of any ball.

ThomasBowling

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Re: Best Motiv ball for oil
« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2016, 06:58:34 PM »
The Jackal is pretty strong.  Are you sure you are playing in the correct part of the lane?  Is your heavy oil short or long?  Was a different ball more successful than the Jackal for you?  These are things that can affect the perceived performance of any ball.

I'm a low rev player, I'm a stroker.
It is actually a great ball for me. But I will never be able to throw it like the Motiv staff does in the videos for their balls.
If you can throw the ball like they do, then the ball will hook a lot on heavy oil. But if I hadn't bought the Jackal already, I'd go with the Carnage instead.

Plus I'm buying 2 new heavy oil balls next month.
Scandal and Swerve.
Most used:
Motiv Venom Shock (14)
DV8 Grudge Hybrid (14)
Hammer Scandal (14)
DV8 Freakshow (14)

Sometimes.
C300 Swerve (14)
Motiv Jackal LE (14)

Retired:
Roto Grip Sinister (13)
Motiv Jackal (14)

Given to a no-thumber in the club:
Brunswick T-zone (13)

Might stick with Motiv from now on.

ccrider

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Re: Best Motiv ball for oil
« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2016, 07:00:36 PM »
I have the Carnage, and while I think its is a good ball, it does not roll as early or hook as much as my Mastermind or Nirvana.