Direct comparison with me, no. However, the Carnage is the real deal. Plus, Motiv covers just do not wear out unlike most other Brands, including Big B (Brunswick owns/pours DV8). Grudge is a nice piece, but the Carnage takes the cake in my area. Just bowled a tourney on a long, heavy pattern and many folks pulled out a Carnage to battle it. The lower RG, higher diff, and a cover that holds up pretty well and you have a winner.

Could be different elsewhere.

Direct comparison with me, no. However, the Carnage is the real deal. Plus, Motiv covers just do not wear out unlike most other Brands, including Big B (Brunswick owns/pours DV8).

Do you have data to support that claim?

Coor

Never said Brunswick has not made  strides, nor did I say the stuff is bad. However, you gave 2 options, and if I had to pick between the Grudge and Carnage, I would pick the Carnage for the reasons I said. Making strides is great, but Big B needs to continue to make strides to get where Motiv is at already.

Now, as for the ball not working in your area, could be because of the low rg/high diff combo the Carnage brings along with the aggressive cover. If there is not sufficient volume or a long enough pattern, the ball will burn and burn quickly. Get a pro shop to slap on an aggressive drill on top of that, and you have a very condition specific ball.

Sure Nick but what % of plasticizer is used in Big B covers? I know how much Motiv uses. Plus its not just about lane shine. It is about longevity of the cover with resurfacings. 

Nick, prior to stating "fact", you need to have a study conducted of the ball and surfaces that is not done by you (meaning Brunswick). Would everyone trust a study that was conducted on a specific product when tested by the company producing the product? Although I would love to 100% believe everything, I also know that is not a true test and the test needs conducted independently. No, not the USBC either. Someone completely independent of the bowling industry that has no skin in the game and quite frankly, does not know anything about covers, etc.

You are also stating opinion when you state "historically regarded for their longevity". Maybe compared to Ebonite, Storm, or whoever, sure. But Motiv is new to the business and quite frankly the covers have held up better in the few years Motiv has been in the game. The numbers in the shop back this up. So this is not an "opinion" this is backed up by fact. When the shop is doing more resurfacings and oil extractions on a fewer number of sold Brunswick poured balls than Motiv, there is a longevity factor there.

I am sorry that you are on staff and will defend Brunswick to no end. You should, it is your job. As I stated previously, I have and love Big B stuff. I just know going in I will need to do more TLC on them. I am NOT on any staff and get to use whatever I want and push what the customer wants and not what a specific company wants.

I never said you should be sorry and didn't mean it like that. I also said it is your job and you should, meaning you should promote Brunswick or whatever company you choose to work for. If you did not believe in the product you should not work for that company. That goes for anyone in any industry.

And maybe you are right about the pro shops...but considering there is only 2 in the area, not much else to go off of other than what I can 100% account for.

As for getting truth into the industry, get someone from outside the industry to conduct a test to see what the results are for longevity for the covers from all companies. Would a company have anything to hide? I don't mean that to be Brunswick, I mean any company in the industry. Let's see what an independent study shakes out. Not what a study conducted by one of the companies in the industry says.

Back on topic...

Both balls are strong cover and strong asymmetric cores. From what I've seen, the Carnage seems to be a little smoother while the Grudge offers a little more backend. Both balls are plenty strong enough for oil.

I have a Revolt Havoc and Brute Strength, both balls seem to have very good/durable covers. Just like any strong cover, I've had to do a little more maintenance on the Revolt Havoc. I love my Brute Strength though on flatter shots when I need to keep the ball in front of me