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L3nn0n

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This is my first post here so if I forget to mention any important detail I apologize...

I'm a left handed bowler, medium to low speed with low revs who likes to play outside, usually between the 4 board and the 8 board (that is my confort zone) in the typical THS. I like a ball with a good length, that can have a good read of the front and the mid lane and with  a good backend reaction with a strong hook at the end, kind of like a hockey stick shot with a delayed/late hook.

I'm looking for a ball that can be my first out of the bag option, currently I have a Brunswick Wicked Siege which is losing its power (I've been using it 3 times a week for 3 years) a Brunswick Aura which is too strong for the house conditions, a DV8 Ruckus which right know is my first ball and a Visionary G-3 Gryphon which I use when the lanes break down, but sometimes even that ball overreacts when there is no more oil left on the lane.

I'm between the Motiv Tribal Fire (right know I'm leaning towards that one) the Motiv Tribal, the Brunswick Brute and the DV8. I want a ball that I can use on a fresh lane with medium oil and that can also help me when the lanes are dry. I want the ball to have a good lenght and a strong backend reaction, I'm reading the Dual Angle Ball Layout and I have an idea of how to drill it, long skid, medium to high flares, no early hook and good and strong backend reaction. What ball should I buy?

ANY HELP WOULD BE TRULY APPRECIATED!

 

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Re: Need advice! Tribal Fire, Tribal, DV8 Hooligan or Brunswick Brute?
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2014, 10:36:22 AM »
If those are your choices id go with either the tribal fire or tribal.

L3nn0n

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Re: Need advice! Tribal Fire, Tribal, DV8 Hooligan or Brunswick Brute?
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2014, 10:42:27 AM »
Do you have any other ball suggestion? And what is the difference between the Fire and the Tribal?

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Need advice! Tribal Fire, Tribal, DV8 Hooligan or Brunswick Brute?
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2014, 08:19:26 AM »
I can only speak for 1 of the balls.  I have a Tribal Fire and I am finding, at my current house, that ball is much stronger than advertised.  My pin is located right of the ring finger, cg below the ring and this ball hooks really early.  Although I have used it at another house and it had decent length.  I really like the way this rolls and hits though. 

Based on your comments, I would like to recommend adding a Primal Rage (assuming you want to try Motiv).  Based on your comments, we could be very similar bowlers...only I am the right hand version.  The Primal Rage has proven to be a very versatile ball.  I have the pin up and it goes long and when it makes its turn it is very continuous.   The best part is if/when you run into a condition that requires you to open up the lane a bit, this will do that and still finish.  I have a Byte drilled skid/flip and the motion is the shape is similar to the Primal Rage, but playing a deeper inside line, I would leave or trip weak 5,7's and stuff, where Primal Rage seems to drive through and kick out the corners.  Something I have always battled.

I have since added another Motiv ball to my bag (Ascent Apex).....so pleased with how Motiv rolls for me.  Funny thing is I bowl with a friend who in many cases selects her arsenal based on how it matches her outfits (or smells), so unless there was purple or pink, it was out of the question.   Well she is saying she really wants a Primal Rage...hoping it will roll for her like it rolls for me.   We shall see on that.  Her husband throws an Octane, and he does very well with that ball. 

I have a nephew that uses nothing but Motiv and his recommendation to anyone considering Motiv, to get the Primal Rage....which is how I ended up with that.  I won the Tribal Fire in a contest.  2 completely different looks (the way they are layed out).  But both are very continuous rolling balls!

Back to your original comment...of the 2 Motivs you mentioned, I would then suggest the Tribal, as it has the same cover as the Primal Rage.  I had not seen many Motivs used in my area but they are slowly starting to appear on many of the ball racks.  The pro shop even put a couple on display.

Give Motiv a try and I suspect you'll be pleasantly surprised!!

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Re: Need advice! Tribal Fire, Tribal, DV8 Hooligan or Brunswick Brute?
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2014, 05:08:02 PM »
I can only speak for 1 of the balls.  I have a Tribal Fire and I am finding, at my current house, that ball is much stronger than advertised.  My pin is located right of the ring finger, cg below the ring and this ball hooks really early.  Although I have used it at another house and it had decent length.  I really like the way this rolls and hits though. 

Based on your comments, I would like to recommend adding a Primal Rage (assuming you want to try Motiv).  Based on your comments, we could be very similar bowlers...only I am the right hand version.  The Primal Rage has proven to be a very versatile ball.  I have the pin up and it goes long and when it makes its turn it is very continuous.   The best part is if/when you run into a condition that requires you to open up the lane a bit, this will do that and still finish.  I have a Byte drilled skid/flip and the motion is the shape is similar to the Primal Rage, but playing a deeper inside line, I would leave or trip weak 5,7's and stuff, where Primal Rage seems to drive through and kick out the corners.  Something I have always battled.

I have since added another Motiv ball to my bag (Ascent Apex).....so pleased with how Motiv rolls for me.  Funny thing is I bowl with a friend who in many cases selects her arsenal based on how it matches her outfits (or smells), so unless there was purple or pink, it was out of the question.   Well she is saying she really wants a Primal Rage...hoping it will roll for her like it rolls for me.   We shall see on that.  Her husband throws an Octane, and he does very well with that ball. 

I have a nephew that uses nothing but Motiv and his recommendation to anyone considering Motiv, to get the Primal Rage....which is how I ended up with that.  I won the Tribal Fire in a contest.  2 completely different looks (the way they are layed out).  But both are very continuous rolling balls!

Back to your original comment...of the 2 Motivs you mentioned, I would then suggest the Tribal, as it has the same cover as the Primal Rage.  I had not seen many Motivs used in my area but they are slowly starting to appear on many of the ball racks.  The pro shop even put a couple on display.

Give Motiv a try and I suspect you'll be pleasantly surprised!!

Just this wednesday one of the guys I bowl with on a league told me that the Primal Rage was a must for me, he told me almost the same things as you about how versatile and strong is the ball... I was asking about the Fire because I think with the DV8 Ruckus I have kind of the same ball as the Primal Rage, right? Medium to Heavy balls, good length, strong backend, etc... But I don't know if I can use the Primal Rage on drier conditions or when the lanes brake down, I don't have any ball in my arsenal which is light to medium, I have a Heavy (Aura Paranormal) two medium to heavy (Wicked Siege and DV8 Ruckus) and one medium (G-3 Gryphon) so that's why I was focusing on a light to medium ball. My friend also suggested me the Octane which by the way is a nice looking ball, but I don't know if I would be able to bowl on lighter conditions with an Octane or with a Primal Rage... What do you think??? I'm open to suggestions!

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Re: Need advice! Tribal Fire, Tribal, DV8 Hooligan or Brunswick Brute?
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2014, 08:31:32 PM »
I have the Rage and Octane. Got the Rage first and liked it. Then got the Octane and did not like it until a cover adjustment and now I love it and use it more than my Rage.  This Octane is now the first ball out of my bag.
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Re: Need advice! Tribal Fire, Tribal, DV8 Hooligan or Brunswick Brute?
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2014, 12:17:57 AM »
I have the Rage and Octane. Got the Rage first and liked it. Then got the Octane and did not like it until a cover adjustment and now I love it and use it more than my Rage.  This Octane is now the first ball out of my bag.

Would you think I would be able to use the octane once the lanes break down without the ball burning up?

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Re: Need advice! Tribal Fire, Tribal, DV8 Hooligan or Brunswick Brute?
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2014, 07:49:14 AM »
I too, can only speak for the Motivs you mentioned, but of the ones you did mention, I would go with the Tribal as well. It's a little difficult to suggest anything though, knowing very little about the shot you bowl on. The Fire is much stronger than the original, and it'd be tough to use it on anything "dry."

The Primal Rage is an excellent ball. I've drilled a number of them for customers and I've yet to see anyone who is disappointed with it. It is significantly stronger than the other balls you mentioned though, so if the area of the lane you like to play is dry by any means, it might take a surface adjustment to make that fit where you want to play on the lane.

The Ruckus and the Primal Rage may be close in overall strength, but that's pretty much where the similarities end. The Rage will be a bit longer, stronger in the backend, and honestly, I'd be willing to bet money I don't have that it hits and carries better than any other brand. You'll find that with all Motiv stuff. The hit, carry, and continuation is unmatched.

Good luck and feel free to shoot any questions my way.

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Re: Need advice! Tribal Fire, Tribal, DV8 Hooligan or Brunswick Brute?
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2014, 08:25:59 AM »
I too, can only speak for the Motivs you mentioned, but of the ones you did mention, I would go with the Tribal as well. It's a little difficult to suggest anything though, knowing very little about the shot you bowl on. The Fire is much stronger than the original, and it'd be tough to use it on anything "dry."

I will pretty much echo these comments, except i do not know the comparison to the DV8 mentioned.  I also have a Storm Byte, and the shape is similar to the Primal Rage, hiwever ad Matt states, the Rage has a hit and continuation like no other.  Also as he mentions....the Tribal Fire is much stronger than advertised.  I find i need to find oil for that ball.....like the Rage.   I do have to chase the oil in but this ball lets someone like me, who is more up the back, and lower revs and speed, do that with confidence.  It recovers very well. I dont see sport conditions very often, but it has been great on our house shot.

The Primal Rage is an excellent ball. I've drilled a number of them for customers and I've yet to see anyone who is disappointed with it. It is significantly stronger than the other balls you mentioned though, so if the area of the lane you like to play is dry by any means, it might take a surface adjustment to make that fit where you want to play on the lane.

The Ruckus and the Primal Rage may be close in overall strength, but that's pretty much where the similarities end. The Rage will be a bit longer, stronger in the backend, and honestly, I'd be willing to bet money I don't have that it hits and carries better than any other brand. You'll find that with all Motiv stuff. The hit, carry, and continuation is unmatched.

Good luck and feel free to shoot any questions my way.

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Re: Need advice! Tribal Fire, Tribal, DV8 Hooligan or Brunswick Brute?
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2014, 09:34:53 AM »
I too, can only speak for the Motivs you mentioned, but of the ones you did mention, I would go with the Tribal as well. It's a little difficult to suggest anything though, knowing very little about the shot you bowl on. The Fire is much stronger than the original, and it'd be tough to use it on anything "dry."

The Primal Rage is an excellent ball. I've drilled a number of them for customers and I've yet to see anyone who is disappointed with it. It is significantly stronger than the other balls you mentioned though, so if the area of the lane you like to play is dry by any means, it might take a surface adjustment to make that fit where you want to play on the lane.

The Ruckus and the Primal Rage may be close in overall strength, but that's pretty much where the similarities end. The Rage will be a bit longer, stronger in the backend, and honestly, I'd be willing to bet money I don't have that it hits and carries better than any other brand. You'll find that with all Motiv stuff. The hit, carry, and continuation is unmatched.

Good luck and feel free to shoot any questions my way.

I bowl on a THS, short oil, and I usually bowl outside (between the 4 and 8 board) so I was wondering about a versatile ball that can use through three regular league games, I know I will have to adjust after games, but I don't know if the Tribal or the fire can be my first ball out of the bag since they are intented for lighter conditions, would I be able to use them on fresh oil? Or should I try something more like the Octane whicch looks as a  more versatile ball but also with a good lenght and strong backend?