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tommyboy74

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Thinking of checking out Motiv
« on: April 14, 2014, 11:37:02 PM »
Hey everyone.  Even though I throw almost all Storm/Roto Grip right now, I've been impressed with what I've seen coming out of Motiv.  Because of this, I'm looking to replace up to 2 of my benchmark pieces and thinking of trying the brand.

Stats:  19-21mph speed, 380-410 rev rate, 4-1/4" PAP (straight across), tweener, low track

2 balls from Motiv that have looked impressive to me have been the Covert Revolt and the Sigma Sting.  I was looking to slot these in as potential replacements for my Outlaw and my Hy-Road/Nomad Dagger. 

For you guys throwing Motiv, and with having higher ball speed, what do you think of these choices?  Also, how have the covers held up?
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MOTIV Jackal Legacy
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Med-Heavy:
MOTIV Trident Odyssey
MOTIV Forge Fire
MOTIV Covert Revolt

Medium:
MOTIV VIP ExJ Sigma
MOTIV Sigma Sting
MOTIV Pride Solid

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MOTIV Venom Shock
MOTIV Tribal Fire

 

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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2014, 11:43:48 AM »
I've never thrown a Motiv piece, but if a 15.0 - 15.2 lb original Sigma Tour became available I'd def be interested......
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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2014, 12:08:30 PM »
Quote from: Good Times Good Times on April 17, 2014, 11:43:48 AM
I've never thrown a Motiv piece, but if a 15.0 - 15.2 lb original Sigma Tour became available I'd def be interested......

http://www.ballreviews.com/general-fsftwtb/motiv-balls-for-sale-or-trade-t302053.0.html

Don't know if it's 15.0/15.2 but he has one availalble.
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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2014, 12:27:24 PM »
The best part about it for me is that I can explain to customers why that is.  Sometimes you know one ball is better than the other but can't really explain it, but I've got solid, logical, factual reasons.  They're easy to sell cause it's easy to explain why they're better. 

Quote from: CPA on April 17, 2014, 10:56:20 AM
For me, the bottom line is I score better with Motiv balls.
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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2014, 12:39:23 PM »
Ive noticed the big cores in almost all their balls. Are these balls stupid early and do they roll quick and in general, how do they compare to Storm balls?
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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2014, 12:50:14 PM »
Quote from: northface28 on April 17, 2014, 12:39:23 PM
Ive noticed the big cores in almost all their balls. Are these balls stupid early and do they roll quick and in general, how do they compare to Storm balls?

Motiv has pretty much all conditions and ball motions covered in my opinion.

If you want early rolling, the entire Raptor Line has an early roll, but if you want a later roll, the Cruel Intent and Primal Scream/Rage are great at getting through the front of the lane with a later move down lane.

If you prefer something in between, the Sigma Sting and Venoms cover that motion just fine.
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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2014, 01:11:23 PM »
Quote from: milorafferty on April 17, 2014, 12:08:30 PM
Quote from: Good Times Good Times on April 17, 2014, 11:43:48 AM
I've never thrown a Motiv piece, but if a 15.0 - 15.2 lb original Sigma Tour became available I'd def be interested......

http://www.ballreviews.com/general-fsftwtb/motiv-balls-for-sale-or-trade-t302053.0.html

Don't know if it's 15.0/15.2 but he has one availalble.

Nice catch.  I've sent a PM.

Thanks Milo!
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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2014, 02:02:23 PM »
I think Motiv balls are cleaner on the backend, and actually easier through the fronts.  I don't know how they do it, but you can saw on a Motiv ball and not worry about getting it down the lane.  Motiv probably compares closest to Storm as far as ball reaction and the number of shapes in the lineup, but I think Motivs are more durable, more continuous, more consistent, better control/power ratio, they take coverstock adjustments better, lol but Storm stuff smells better . .  Motiv is basically Storm, but better in just about every way.  The backend transition for Motiv balls is outstandingly good as well.  I average only about 2-3 10 pin leaves a night because the backend read is very good, and with no loss of energy and continuation, the ball either faces up completely or the 10 gets kicked. 

Quote from: northface28 on April 17, 2014, 12:39:23 PM
Ive noticed the big cores in almost all their balls. Are these balls stupid early and do they roll quick and in general, how do they compare to Storm balls?
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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2014, 03:48:42 PM »
Dammit.  All this Motiv talk makes me want to go buy a Rage for my roll off next week.  Then I'll put it in the closet until the fall.

Or I'll wait.
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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2014, 09:09:29 PM »
Thanks for the feedback.  I've decided to go ahead and order both the Covert Revolt and the Sigma Sting.
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MOTIV Jackal Legacy
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Med-Heavy:
MOTIV Trident Odyssey
MOTIV Forge Fire
MOTIV Covert Revolt

Medium:
MOTIV VIP ExJ Sigma
MOTIV Sigma Sting
MOTIV Pride Solid

Medium-Light
MOTIV Venom Shock
MOTIV Tribal Fire

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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2014, 09:58:24 PM »
Quote from: tommyboy74 on May 29, 2014, 09:09:29 PM
Thanks for the feedback.  I've decided to go ahead and order both the Covert Revolt and the Sigma Sting.

Once you get them drilled and have a chance to throw them, please update me and let me know what you think about the Motiv stuff. I also throw mostly Storm/Roto and have been wondering about Motiv equipment.
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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2014, 10:32:42 AM »
i think you will be very happy with the Sting & Revolt. I have both & I feel they compliment one another really well. As Blueprint posted earlier, please let us know how you had them drilled & how they work for you. Good luck!!
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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2014, 06:22:24 PM »
I think it'll work out really well.  Currently with throwing a Nomad Dagger, Hy-Road, 505T, Outlaw and then occasionally a 919C at the upper end, it will allow 5 balls to be condensed to 2, with more defined stepdowns. 
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MOTIV Trident Odyssey
MOTIV Forge Fire
MOTIV Covert Revolt

Medium:
MOTIV VIP ExJ Sigma
MOTIV Sigma Sting
MOTIV Pride Solid

Medium-Light
MOTIV Venom Shock
MOTIV Tribal Fire

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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2014, 11:06:03 PM »
Quote from: spmcgivern on April 15, 2014, 01:01:51 PM
Quote from: xrayjay on April 15, 2014, 10:56:49 AM
Quote from: CPA on April 15, 2014, 10:37:47 AM
The Covert Revolt and Sting are excellent.  You could also add a Venom Shock to round out the arsenal.

So all three of these balls mentioned can be a good 3 ball set up for even a low rev medium speed storker too?

Note: sorry didn't mean to crash your post. I just hate to start a similar post and it might not get answered...

In my opinion, I would consider a different ball than the Venom Shock IF you have the Sting and Covert Revolt.  The Sting and Venom Shock seem to be close with maybe more separation with cover changes.  Perhaps a better option would be the Tribal if you like to go to a weaker pearl when the lanes break down or Primal Rage if you like to go stronger.

I recently went to a demo day and I was surprised how well the descriptions on their website matched what I saw on the lanes.  I am going to do a 3 ball arsenal to replace my current balls. I'm going with the shock and tribal because they are two VERY different shapes and then either an octane or rage for heavier volumes. Those three will cover a huge range of conditions.  I've heard a lot of praise on the durability of cover stocks which makes my decision easier.
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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2014, 10:15:56 AM »
I've broken off recently and have tried a few balls from other companies, and although I've liked what I've drilled, they still just can't compare.  What I've really found is that Motiv's prime characteristics are versatility and consistency.  The thing I'm best at is reading ball reaction, and when I let a Motiv ball go, I know what's going to happen.  Some of these other balls have left me wondering what the hell is going on or why they just did what they did.  It's my job to be objective, and objectively without bias, Motiv offers the best equipment on the market. 

Quote from: toneoak1 on September 13, 2014, 11:06:03 PM
Quote from: spmcgivern on April 15, 2014, 01:01:51 PM
Quote from: xrayjay on April 15, 2014, 10:56:49 AM
Quote from: CPA on April 15, 2014, 10:37:47 AM
The Covert Revolt and Sting are excellent.  You could also add a Venom Shock to round out the arsenal.

So all three of these balls mentioned can be a good 3 ball set up for even a low rev medium speed storker too?

Note: sorry didn't mean to crash your post. I just hate to start a similar post and it might not get answered...

In my opinion, I would consider a different ball than the Venom Shock IF you have the Sting and Covert Revolt.  The Sting and Venom Shock seem to be close with maybe more separation with cover changes.  Perhaps a better option would be the Tribal if you like to go to a weaker pearl when the lanes break down or Primal Rage if you like to go stronger.

I recently went to a demo day and I was surprised how well the descriptions on their website matched what I saw on the lanes.  I am going to do a 3 ball arsenal to replace my current balls. I'm going with the shock and tribal because they are two VERY different shapes and then either an octane or rage for heavier volumes. Those three will cover a huge range of conditions.  I've heard a lot of praise on the durability of cover stocks which makes my decision easier.
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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #30 on: September 15, 2014, 11:11:27 AM »
     Motiv is my number 2 selling product behind Storm/Roto Grip. One of my employees strictly throws Motiv and has been tearing it up for over a year now. My personal experience with them is not good. I had the 2 Cruel and hated it, the Tribal and hated it. I have had Sigma Tour for 2 years and love that ball. In my mind, I wish they would have kept that ball in production like Storm has done with the Hy-Road.
     Just picked up a Venom Shock to try and will also be doing a Tribal Fire and Octane. Personally I like what I see from them and all my customers that we have put in Motiv equipment are extremely happy. I definitely recommend Storm/Roto Grip and Motiv over other brands currently. Not saying other brands are bad, just not as good as the three I mentioned.
     A lot of it also is getting proper layout matched with proper surface for the customer.
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