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Shot Clock Violations
« on: December 29, 2013, 02:06:33 PM »
I understand the need for a shot clock during a live broadcast but I'm not sure I understand the need for one during a taped delayed telecast.

There is something to be said for continuity of rules for TV telecast but they broadcast so much fluff around the matches time isn't really a issue.

And Sean is a mental basket case on TV. :)

 

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Re: Shot Clock Violations
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2013, 06:46:27 AM »
I understand the need for a shot clock during a live broadcast but I'm not sure I understand the need for one during a taped delayed telecast.

There is something to be said for continuity of rules for TV telecast but they broadcast so much fluff around the matches time isn't really a issue.

And Sean is a mental basket case on TV. :)

I agree 100%.  However, while on the telecast, I think they are trying to make it sound as though the shows are done live (making remarks like what a bowler did "last week").  It would sound bad if the words "Just a couple hours ago, Ciminelli left a pocket 7-10 in the tenth frame to lose his match against Chris Barnes at the Viper Championship" while they are showing the Chameleon Championship a full week later.

Sean Rash has become the right handed version of Patrick Allen, only worse.  I appreciate passion and excitement but to run your mouth to the opposing bowler as he is walking passed him is just stupid.  Funny how Randy even made the comment that if Sean is trying to "get inside Dom's dome, he may want to think again".  Was so glad to see the outcome of that match.

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Re: Shot Clock Violations
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2013, 07:27:59 AM »
My problem is the amount of money they are fined. $100 for first then it's $500 each time after when they aren't bowling for much. The $500 is too much when your possibly bowling for $5000, last place on TV. That's 10% of your winnings. Pba is stupid. If the prize funds were higher I could see those fines. But take the NFL, players get fined 10,000 for late hits or illegal hits. But they are making 100,000/gm x 16gms a year. Big difference.

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Re: Shot Clock Violations
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2013, 08:24:15 AM »
Bowl_Freak, I agree.  For these prize funds and mini trophies.

Fines of $10 and $50 would be enough!

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Re: Shot Clock Violations
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2013, 02:06:05 PM »
My problem is the amount of money they are fined. $100 for first then it's $500 each time after when they aren't bowling for much. The $500 is too much when your possibly bowling for $5000, last place on TV. That's 10% of your winnings. Pba is stupid. If the prize funds were higher I could see those fines. But take the NFL, players get fined 10,000 for late hits or illegal hits. But they are making 100,000/gm x 16gms a year. Big difference.

But on the other side of that coin, since this is the Professional Bowlers Association, shouldn't the bowler be professional enough to overcome the distraction? People moving in the audience and shutter clicking on a camera aside, someone at that level should be able to tune out those distractions.

And finally on the side of that coin, I'd prefer CDB's approach to the fines. She knows she will violate that shot clock. She doesn't want to hear about it or the fines until after the match; then she'll deal with it. Let her win the money, then settle up after.

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Re: Shot Clock Violations
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2013, 11:18:33 PM »
Professional or not, when you have fans that close and beside you it makes a difference. Most bowlers only have people behind them and not lined up beside the lanes. Just my $.02, Bruce
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Re: Shot Clock Violations
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2013, 01:56:40 AM »

But on the other side of that coin, since this is the Professional Bowlers Association, shouldn't the bowler be professional enough to overcome the distraction? People moving in the audience and shutter clicking on a camera aside, someone at that level should be able to tune out those distractions.


This is the one thing I've never been able to understand. Also I dont get why people have to stop bowling because of a deadwood. I know im not throwing the ball in the gutter and im not looking at the gutter when I go to throw the ball. I guess it must be from me playing baseball for 15+ years where distractions are common
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Re: Shot Clock Violations
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2013, 09:09:55 AM »

But on the other side of that coin, since this is the Professional Bowlers Association, shouldn't the bowler be professional enough to overcome the distraction? People moving in the audience and shutter clicking on a camera aside, someone at that level should be able to tune out those distractions.


This is the one thing I've never been able to understand. Also I dont get why people have to stop bowling because of a deadwood. I know im not throwing the ball in the gutter and im not looking at the gutter when I go to throw the ball. I guess it must be from me playing baseball for 15+ years where distractions are common

That's fine UNTIL you do throw it in the gutter and the pins jumps up and smashes the machine or deck light, or the ball jumps up and you cry that the ball has a big gauge in it. 

On the original topic, I also believe the fines are excessive for the amount they are bowling for.  I can see if it were a LIVE show, but for a taped show $100 a fine would be sufficient.

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Re: Shot Clock Violations
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2013, 09:17:54 AM »
If they shorten the time it could be a new revenue stream!
« Last Edit: December 31, 2013, 02:59:07 PM by htotheizzo3561 »

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Re: Shot Clock Violations
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2013, 02:02:32 PM »
Professional or not, when you have fans that close and beside you it makes a difference. Most bowlers only have people behind them and not lined up beside the lanes. Just my $.02, Bruce

Hence why I said fans in the crowd moving aside. That is a valid distraction which you can reset for and not get a fine imposed. Same with the photographers and their cameras. Anything else could/would be fair game for a fine.

That's why I said that CDB's approach to it is the best; she knows there are times she'll blow the shot clock, so she said to turn it off, and and don't let her know when she's blown it; she'll just settle up the fines after the match is done. She doesn't need the added stress of a shot clock violation on her game under lights.

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Re: Shot Clock Violations
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2013, 03:58:11 PM »
Say you finish 4th in the tourney, $3000. You have 3 violations, $100+$500+$500. Now instead of taking the $3000 prize that u earned, they are taking away more than 33% of my earnings. That's kinda ridiculous IMO since you worked all week to get to that point. $100 fines are fine until there comes a point where it actually affects the TV show and airing. But $500 per incident with the amount of $$  the PBA is putting out to win is nuts.

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Re: Shot Clock Violations
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2013, 05:44:38 PM »
But they need the money to boost the prize fund.
Are they really collected, or just something for Randy to talk about?
I'd rather Randy talk more about the equipment when making a change, lay out and why they changed.
If only the PBA knew who their audience is, maybe they could work around who really is watching the shows.
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Re: Shot Clock Violations
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2013, 06:01:21 PM »
The prize fund is fine, just limit fines. Just like I stated earlier, major sports fines are miniscule compared to the PBA money the professionals make. If an NFL player makes 18,000,000 year, that's roughly 1,000,000/gm. When they get fined $10,000, that's not a lot compared to how Mich they make yearly. PBA bowlers aren't given a salary because they are professional, they have to earn what they make. So when you take 1% out of a football's player salary, it's pennies. But when you take 10% out of a bowlers winnings for fines, that's crazy. Take 10% of a football's players salary and see what happens.

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Re: Shot Clock Violations
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2014, 09:47:49 PM »
It's not like it's the 1980's and you had guys who would go into the 4 corners and struggle to finish a 2 hour telecast.

The fines are ridiculously disproportionate to prize pools too.  You've got some of the animal pattern stops paying $8000.  You get Rash on one of his flaky days and he could blow 1/2 that if he climbed the ladder.
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