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Track_Fanatic

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Ball layout suggestions- Please help Phil
« on: June 06, 2015, 10:19:22 PM »
I just picked up a Yeti Uncaged and would like your opinion on ball layout.  I don't have my specifics other than my PAP.  My PAP is 5 1/4 and 3/8 up.  I track high.  I have slow ball speed.  I can only throw pin up since I will clip or track over the thumb.  I am looking for a ball reaction that would get good length and decent recovery.  Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated.

 

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Re: Ball layout suggestions- Please help Phil
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2015, 10:42:17 PM »
Radical keeps it pretty simple with pin up layouts. Just go with your favorite layout

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Re: Ball layout suggestions- Please help Phil
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2015, 08:47:39 AM »
I hope you don't mind a small hijack. Pin down clips my thumb  hole as well. I was wondering how we are supposed to have smoother layouts on bowling balls. I feel I will need a layout with a higher VAL angle. I might have to just have that ball without a weight hole and kick the thumb over a bit.
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Re: Ball layout suggestions- Please help Phil
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2015, 10:03:07 AM »
Track,
Obviously I'm not Phil. But what type of conditions do you normally see? What type of lane surface do you bowl on? The Uncaged gets down lane pretty clean at the box surface. Depending on your speed to Rev rate, you could try the MOtin hole layout. I know Mo likes to use it a lot for high track and lower tilt bowlers. But you don't have to get too technical. The Yetis work really well with the motion hole tho.

2handed . . . If you clip the thumb, you could try a performance fit to help. But, a very simple suggestion is to use balls with the characteristics you're looking for first. Don't be afraid to tweak the surfaces to promote a smoother change of direction, lower pin to pap on symmetrical balls and use balance holes to fine tune reaction. Val angle, pin to pap, surface and balance holes are the key for symmetrical balls. Keep it flare safe so the ball doesn't catch air rolling over the thumb and adjust the other things. Hopefully you can find what you're looking for.
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Re: Ball layout suggestions- Please help Phil
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2015, 11:07:58 AM »
What Thomas said. Surface adjustments, surface adjustments,  etc.............
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Re: Ball layout suggestions- Please help Phil
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2015, 11:48:50 AM »
piling on a bit, but advice given to us in a class by a gold coach

coverstock - 50% of total reaction
core type - 20% of total reaction
texture - 15% of total reaction
layout & tweaks - 15% of total reaction

as you can see, layout is towards the lower end of this list
stick with a generally normal layout and adjust surface from there
pin above bridge, pin below bridge or pin in 1 of the fingers depending on how much flare you want


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Re: Ball layout suggestions- Please help Phil
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2015, 02:07:21 PM »
I just picked up a Yeti Uncaged and would like your opinion on ball layout.  I don't have my specifics other than my PAP.  My PAP is 5 1/4 and 3/8 up.  I track high.  I have slow ball speed.  I can only throw pin up since I will clip or track over the thumb.  I am looking for a ball reaction that would get good length and decent recovery.  Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated.

I have a very high track as well, and have had pin down balls that track normally.  Your pro shop should be able to lay a ball out any way you want and not have it track over the thumb.  Pin placement, in conjunction with moving the CG away from the grip center, will help migrate your track away from the thumb hole.

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Re: Ball layout suggestions- Please help Phil
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2015, 05:18:28 PM »
I will chime in, as well.  If you've had success with a certain layout don't mess with it.

Too many times we want to "reinvent the wheel" by trying something that gets talked about, or is the new thing.  I drill a fair amount of balls, and have for years now, and frankly, I've probably ruined a few by trying something too far different than what works for me.

A great layout can compliment your game, while a bad one could leave you with something less versatile than you want, in my opinion.  Good luck to you.

« Last Edit: June 07, 2015, 05:20:31 PM by notclay »

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Re: Ball layout suggestions- Please help Phil
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2015, 09:24:23 PM »
I'm 53/8 over 5/8 up and throw many pin down layouts with out any issue
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