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newguy

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Need your opinion.....
« on: November 12, 2014, 08:53:42 AM »
So i would like your input. Tell me the ideal ball motion that is most desirable.  Please do not use other balls as an example. I want you to describe the motion.
I will select 2 responses randomly. The first selected response will receive a Guru. The second will receive a Yeti Uncaged. Only one response per person.  Multiple responses by the same person will disqualify you from the selection process.
Please be as descriptive as possible. It's your chance to help us develope a ball down the road.
Thanks
Phil

 

Gizmo823

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #76 on: December 02, 2014, 09:08:27 AM »
Radical has done a great job designing cores that consider the post drilling specs.  Radical has also done a great job creating very continuous ball motions.  But like someone else mentioned, the diversity in the hook potentials is lacking, and as far as I'm concerned, the reaction shapes are all very similar.  If you took unmarked test balls from various different companies, I'd bet I could pick out the Radical equipment fairly easily regardless of coverstock type or surface prep, as it all has a very trademark roll and reaction.  I wouldn't consider this a bad thing though, the shot shape is very good and very effective. 

My ideal ball reaction is one that has been achieved by Radical with a few different balls.  Something that blends transitions.  The vast majority of house patterns are extremely wet/dry, whether from left to right or at the end of the pattern.  A ball motion that still has traction in oil but doesn't stand up or burn too quickly on dry is my favorite type of reaction.  Not for the purpose of creating miss room, but for the purpose of giving the bowler back some control.  While I definitely advise people with the newer equipment to let the ball do the work because that's what it's designed for, some newer balls almost do TOO much of the work and can limit extremely talented bowlers or force them to switch balls more than they really need to instead of the ball being a tool for them to manipulate.  Obviously you still have to use the right tool for the job, but sometimes tools can be so specialized that they limit themselves to few uses.  It seems like the more skilled the craftsman, the simpler the tools are that they use. 

Honestly, I think of Radical as a better Brunswick.  What is really missing is something with a true quick response to friction that isn't super sensitive.  Even supposed skid/snap balls from any Brunswick brand really don't do much more than create a hard arc.  I don't see anything with an honestly clean, defined transition in any one of the lines.  That being said, I still reiterate that my favorite reaction shape is one that blends sharp transitions, but when you run into soft transitions or need some punch, the smooth reaction of the Radical line sometimes gets too smooth and punchless. 
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drillbit

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #77 on: December 02, 2014, 11:39:23 AM »
 My ideal motion, especially around my neck of the woods(a dearth of oil volume), is length plus a smooth controlled backend motion. Usually, I have to drill down and/or polish up, most equipment to achieve this motion, with a few rare exceptions. Most of the equipment I'm happy with is low-to-medium differential, with covers adjusted as needed to suit my needs.
 Now, when I travel to tournaments outside my local area, I need a bit stronger equipment(more diff, more surface, or both), but I still like the same overall smooth, controlled, reaction. But I don't travel to tourneys as much as I used to :(, so my travel arsenal is smaller than it used to be.

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #78 on: December 02, 2014, 03:19:32 PM »
The best type of ball motion is something that can glide through the front part of the lane, still is able to read the midlane strong, and provide a very continuous drive through the pins. I like being able to control the breakpoint so anything that isn't too uncontrollable off the end of the pattern usually is a winner for me.

newguy

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #79 on: December 23, 2014, 12:18:30 PM »
77 post, I'd lie to get to 100 and than select 2 winners. need a few more opinons

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #80 on: December 23, 2014, 02:18:56 PM »
Since I dont really see heavy oil, a smooth reaction down the lane to the breakpoint, then a continous roll from the end of the pattern to the pins.

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #81 on: December 23, 2014, 02:55:14 PM »
I would love a new ball that worked as well as my Brunswick Ultimate Inferno. I love a ball that you can use on a wide variety of shots by just changing lines or speed. I could use that ball on so many shots and was basically the only ball I used for a year or so. Sad to say that it just died and a resurfacing and de-oiling couldn't bring it back. I'm using all DV8 equipment now and really enjoy the looks they give me. I like a ball that you can play outside with, but not lose carry if I have to switch it up and play deeper inside.

TonyinPortland

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« Reply #82 on: December 24, 2014, 10:51:37 AM »
I probably throw a little slower than a lot of people that post here, around 12-13 mph, and I think something that would allow me to stand far left and swing the ball, without having to throw too much harder to keep it in the pocket.

I can throw a lot harder than that, but I seem to lose accuracy when I do, and I think that when the lanes break down and I have to keep moving left, I cannot throw hard enough to keep the ball where it needs to be to continue to hit the pocket.


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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #83 on: December 25, 2014, 02:09:47 AM »
My ideal ball motion would be best described as easy length with a hard arc.  My biggest issue tends to come from hitting up on the ball causing the ball to read early and hard at the end of the pattern. Any ball that blends the transition off the end of the pattern allows me some additional room for error in speed, release, and accuracy.  Ideally I want to see my ball reach the end of the pattern, smoothly read the dry, and finish hard enough to kick out the corners.  Pearls tend to read to hard off the dry for me, while solids read too early and roll out.

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« Reply #84 on: December 25, 2014, 03:01:49 AM »
I've love a ball that's effortless thru the heads with strong revs middle to late midlane. One that turns over and faces up with a strong distinct (no doubt) arc movement and finishes like an A10-Warthog on a strafing run. Visualize the ball charging around the corner like one of those 200mph cars at a high walled Nascar event (hard arc not flip).

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« Reply #85 on: December 25, 2014, 09:44:22 AM »
My preferred ball motion is a one that is consistent.
I like the ball to clear thru the arrows with ease.
Starting to slow down around 30-35ft so it can grab the lane better.
This will get the ball to set up for its motion towards the pocket.
I then want the ball to enter at a decent enough of a entry angle to make the pins stay low and make them go side ways instead of straight back.
While this is going on I want the ball to finish consistently splitting between the 8-9 hole off the back of the deck.

As for color of the ball I prefer solids.
Less distraction/fancy but I also understand multicolors will/can sell the product better.
 
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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #86 on: December 26, 2014, 04:27:23 PM »
my preferred ball motion is control with good back end...i don't really like skid flip...a ball that controls the lane and then still has back end has always been huge for me....great balls for this is grease monkey,torrid affair...and on occasion my guru

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #87 on: December 29, 2014, 12:04:45 PM »
15 more posts and we will give away 2 balls. Let your forum friends know.
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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #88 on: December 29, 2014, 12:41:53 PM »
Phil, As the volume of oil gets lighter, the backends get stronger and I get older it gets to be a challenge to stay competitive.  With my ball speed diminishing I am now rev dominant.  I would like to see a ball that would probably be classified as a "tournament" bag ball for the younger players with ample speed and revs but would be considered the "first ball out of the bag" for those of us that don't have the speed but still have the revs.  There are many "entry" level type balls on the market but they sacrifice hitting/carry power at the pins so I wind up buying a Guru and Score and try via drilling options and different grit/polishes to try to make them work.  Nine times out of ten they are still too strong or I have made them very over/under.  So I would like a ball for the rev dominant/speed challenged type of bowler that would be able to use this ball for your THS, control thru the heads/mids, smooth arcing motion on the back with enough core strength to carry the corners.

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #89 on: December 29, 2014, 12:53:26 PM »
JS
I can relate to that. I have figured out that I can make some of the new stuff work by using a 65 X 4 3/4 X 35 and than polish it on top of box finish. I do make it very shiny .  I have had great success the last few weeks using this drilling. I am now able to use the Guru and Score as well as the Reax version 2  solid.
But that doesn't mean to say your suggestion won't be considered.  ;)

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #90 on: December 29, 2014, 01:20:41 PM »
Question is, what is the most desirable ball motion? 

In general, I like a ball motion that is early enough to be used on fresh patterns and not too late to not be used when moving inside.  I have a lot of issues where I bowl with control early in the set with the horrible and dramatic cliffs of oil in our pattern.  But as the night progresses, the shape that allowed the control off the end of the pattern is no longer able to recover with enough oomph to carry.  I now have to change balls to provide me the proper carry.  Too often I see bowler's ball not slowing down enough.  They would rather see the dramatic snap at the end of the pattern even if it means less carry potential.

Typically, the first ball is some sort of solid and the second ball a pearl.  But as we know, it is all in how the surface is prepared now-a-days.  Perhaps a core that generates early movement to allow control on the wet/dry patterns and a cover that allows the added length and fast reaction to friction later in the set.  Differential wise, nothing too high so the bowler doesn't have to have severe launch angles and keep the shot in front of them.