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newguy

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Need your opinion.....
« on: November 12, 2014, 08:53:42 AM »
So i would like your input. Tell me the ideal ball motion that is most desirable.  Please do not use other balls as an example. I want you to describe the motion.
I will select 2 responses randomly. The first selected response will receive a Guru. The second will receive a Yeti Uncaged. Only one response per person.  Multiple responses by the same person will disqualify you from the selection process.
Please be as descriptive as possible. It's your chance to help us develope a ball down the road.
Thanks
Phil

 

drew999

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2014, 03:25:23 PM »
I would like to see a smooth rolling ball that does not overreact and is usable with multiple angles (left-to-right or down and in) and lane conditions.

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2014, 04:06:51 PM »
Phil, wouldn't it have ben easier to ask "what came first, the chicken or the egg"

What you ask is like yelling "fire" in the theatre.  Everybody will react different.

But, a good starting point would be to copy the Brunswick Inferno Line.

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2014, 05:25:22 PM »
I want something clean and smooth through the front part of the lane, then make what I call a "slurve" on the back - more than an arc, but not a hard flip either.  Something useable on a variety of shots - sport and THS, by someone who can manipulate their ball roll.  Something that you can make go pretty straight if you are up the back and reduce some revs, but something that will allow you to open up the lane as it breaks down by adding axis rotation and hitting it a bit more.

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2014, 06:46:18 PM »
I wouldn't mind seeing a low rg low diferential core on a weaker pearl cover. Like (2.47, .030)

A ball that gets length from cover additives and starts up a little sooner in the midlane being smooth off of the dry

If you want any names you could use something like Patriot. You have the Grease Monkey's which I've seen appeal to people with car backgrounds. I think something along the lines of Patriot or other military-like names opens up your marketing to a large group of bowlers that happen to be Veterans
« Last Edit: November 13, 2014, 12:14:49 PM by SVstar34 »

JJM

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2014, 07:38:19 PM »
A moderately weak to medium strength polished solid cover... with a strong low Rg core creating a heavy controllable arc that initially clears the heads and starts its motion in the mids.
« Last Edit: November 12, 2014, 07:50:28 PM by JJM »

HankScorpio

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2014, 07:54:35 PM »
My house puts out a variation of stone street that breaks down very quickly. I've grown to like low end pearls that give a strong arc into the pocket, rather than the typical snappy low end balls.

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2014, 09:42:07 PM »
Hook sells. Big hook, go long and snap and keep hooking till the rack comes down.....

I enjoy this as much as anyone, but often find it can be feast or famine when it doesn't have to be.

BALL REACTION/SHAPE I like a ball that plays a little straighter. Allows me to play closer to the friction and picks up in the mid lane with a strong arc of continuation on the backend. As the lane breaks down I can make moves deeper into the oil while continuing to play the ball off the friction. Very controllable and easy to stay out of trouble. Not the biggest hooking ball in the bag but the most useful one.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2014, 10:02:02 PM »
For me the ideal ball motion, being that I am a stroker, is a ball that will roll smooth. Pick up in the mids and have a nice arc to the pocket without over reacting to the dry.

JOE FALCO

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« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2014, 10:20:59 PM »
Like a good color. like a ball that can be used for 3 games and not change it's path to the pocket, like a ball that does not absorb too much oil in three games, like a ball that will not crack after 90 games, like a ball that will roll well on Medium conditions.
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Keith Frye

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2014, 10:57:40 PM »
I'm curious to know how the responses will be used to design a ball.  If most of us describe the same motion, I don't know how one ball will give all of us that reaction as we all have different ball speeds, rev rates, bowl on different conditions etc.  Maybe the idea is to design a line of balls that will afford the desired motion to various styles and conditions.

My preferred motion is clean through the heads, revs up in the mids and makes a continuous move on the back end.  A ball that allows me to play a little straighter when needed or open up some and still carry.

Again, one ball will not create that motion on all conditions and for all bowlers.  Surface adjustments can help span a few conditions and bowlers but not all...at least with the current way we look at bowling balls.  Maybe the Radical team has more radical ideas brewing!

MI 2 AZ

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2014, 01:25:26 AM »
So i would like your input. Tell me the ideal ball motion that is most desirable.  Please do not use other balls as an example. I want you to describe the motion.
I will select 2 responses randomly. The first selected response will receive a Guru. The second will receive a Yeti Uncaged. Only one response per person.  Multiple responses by the same person will disqualify you from the selection process.
Please be as descriptive as possible. It's your chance to help us develope a ball down the road.
Thanks
Phil

I think my ideal ball motion has already been described by others so it must be a common desire but here it is in my own words.

Long and strong.  A ball motion that skids thru the front part (oil) and makes a defined move after it leaves the pattern and encounters the drier backends, what many refer to as the long hockey stick reaction.   A ball that is designed for medium to light oil patterns as that is probably closest to what I bowl on and perhaps many others. 

 I can make almost any ball work on fresh oil, where I have problems is during transistion and afterwards.  As the oil is removed in the front, the hockey stick becomes shorter and the ball ends up contacting too much of the head pin than I would prefer.   As I move my feet and line deeper, I encounter too much oil for my low rev rate (200) and the ball will struggle to turn the corner - my hockey stick is too straight on the back end.

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Gonz

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2014, 03:14:54 AM »
A strong adaptable cover stock that displays a motion which goes long, turns left quickly and then transitions into roll as quick so it does not nose dive left of pocket.

This motion will allow tournament bowlers to play tight & inside with a short dry ramp to the pocket, while also allowing the league masses to stay in there preferred zone of near the track without feeling the need to make a jump move left into washout, or ball down & leave late 10's trying to stay in their comfort zone of the track area.

Thanks,
Gonz
« Last Edit: November 13, 2014, 03:36:45 AM by Gonz »

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2014, 03:29:26 AM »
My desired ball reaction is a ball that gets through the heads well and starts to pick up in the mids and doesn't over react on the backend. I like to see the ball start to turn over about 2/3 of the way down with a definate strong arc on the end. You don't want the ball to left turn on the end because when that happens you start to leave ringing 10's or if the ball is a little higher in the pocket 4 pins or 9 pins.

tuckinfenpin

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2014, 07:37:02 AM »
Everybody can call me old school on this but here it goes anyway:

For me the most desired ball reaction would be one that clears the heads well enough to retain energy for the move downlane. The ball would have a smooth reaction to the friction, that creates a consistent and continued motion through the pins.

Hook potential should be middle of the road, to promote its versitility of most bowlers on the THS found in today's game. This way people will buy and use the ball more. A specialized piece (for heavy or dry conditions) will only see limited exposure during sport or tournament conditions, or even the dry.

It's extremely difficult to market a ball as this in today's times. Since most is wanting the 'hook in a box' or the 'left turn Clyde' products. 

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #30 on: November 13, 2014, 09:47:46 AM »
I would like to see something from radical that goes long and straight then makes that left turn. Don't worry about the mids just shoot long and turn left. For medium, medium-light conditions. Really looking for length some of those famous additives to help get the ball farther down the lane and retaining energy on slightly lighter or transitioned conditions.