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Quick Fix & Tremendous WWRD 7-11-17
« on: June 13, 2017, 11:34:41 AM »
http://radicalbowling.com/balls/quick-fix

http://radicalbowling.com/balls/tremendous

Quick Fix is supposed to be stronger on the backend than the Fix so it's probably cleaner as well. The Tremendous is the original Guru with a new name and look but at a lower price point. Same core and coverstock. Interesting.

 

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Re: Quick Fix & Tremendous WWRD 7-11-17
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2017, 03:15:47 PM »
Now you give bowlers the “QUICK FIX”?  It sound like someone is trying to make some quick “CASH” and it’s just tremendously obvious that the "fix" is in for those ball junkie bowlers, who just love to buy new equipment.  LOL!


Now why would you single out Radical.All ball companies are doing the same thing trying to make cash as fast as they can.New balls every three months give me a break.Its all a farce.But if bowlers are stupid enough to fall in the trap you cant blame the companies.

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Re: Quick Fix & Tremendous WWRD 7-11-17
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2017, 04:03:36 PM »
Ok, so I have thrown 900 Global since their first release. The Break. Compared to the Black Widow back in the day. 10 years later, that core is still in the line, and it just works. They more than made their money from it, and now allow it to be sold for less, but you will not find a 900 Global fan that doesn't like the Break core. You drill an Ops and you KNOW what you're going to get.

Now, when it comes to higher end stuff, it starts getting more tricky. Ball companies feel the need to refresh their lines, but in reality, the tried and true balls only come out of the fray when others fail. I love the SRC core, which gives me a different reaction than the Break, but it's good for me. The Train core... not so much. Bounty core, not so much.

I respect Motiv for maintaining a set release schedule and having a purpose for each ball. They seem very thought out, and a lot of their balls have been in the line for more than a year. Shock, Remix, Paranoia, all been out for much more than a year. That says something for them. They get rid of one reaction for a condition, and replace it with something that is better.

The release schedule is a thing of a past for most companies. Now it's just like "Let's see how much crap we can throw at the wall and see what sticks."

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Re: Quick Fix & Tremendous WWRD 7-11-17
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2017, 04:19:27 PM »
+1 I was just thinking the other day about this.All companies have a core that just plain works.Black ops Masterminds Hyroads Gamebreaker.Those are about all you need.Great cores and glad they are still using them.Those four balls are all winners in my book.As far as the Guru seems to be Radicals good selling core.I see no reason not to keep it in the line.Especially at a cheaper price.The Black ops at 109 is a no brainer for a asymmetrical.

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Re: Quick Fix & Tremendous WWRD 7-11-17
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2017, 05:24:33 PM »
I literally have thought to just have a bag with a black, Special, Desert and now a Covert Ops. Let's keep things simple!!

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Re: Quick Fix & Tremendous WWRD 7-11-17
« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2017, 07:57:15 PM »
Couldn't agree more; So confusing the AMOUNT of balls that are released each year.... So glad that I'm over my ball whore and complete arsenal issue.

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Re: Quick Fix & Tremendous WWRD 7-11-17
« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2017, 12:56:32 AM »
  Personally, I think the core that's used in the Yeti series, Reax V2 series, Reax Gusto, and Xeno series is the best performing one especially for a tournament bowler.

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Re: Quick Fix & Tremendous WWRD 7-11-17
« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2017, 12:08:27 PM »

   I found the Guru original rather overrated and a big disappointment. Maybe Phil and the guys got this one right in its second incarnation.

It was our number 1 selling ball of all time. Guess it didn't match up to your game or needed to be drilled differently. It was the strongest ball on the market when we released it.

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Re: Quick Fix & Tremendous WWRD 7-11-17
« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2017, 12:09:54 PM »
At first glance, the Tremendous doesn't look different than the Guru.  Maybe on the shelf it will, but it's a black dull ball either way.  I wouldn't call the name change a change in look.

Yeah, looking back it does appear that the shades of black are similar. Lighting in the pictures was just a bit different. I thought the Tremendous was a bit lighter in coloring but it's not. Strange decision by Radical.

I think the intent is to offer a ball that was extremely popular (at least in my area it was) at a lower price point. There's a large amount of bowlers who want the best bang for the buck and this will fall into that category. Its not uncommon nowadays for people to wait for balls to go on closeout or prices to drop to buy new stuff, and this gives people an opportunity to get that high performance ball at the lower price while its still new to the market.

Bingo!

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Re: Quick Fix & Tremendous WWRD 7-11-17
« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2017, 12:19:12 PM »
At first glance, the Tremendous doesn't look different than the Guru.  Maybe on the shelf it will, but it's a black dull ball either way.  I wouldn't call the name change a change in look.

Yeah, looking back it does appear that the shades of black are similar. Lighting in the pictures was just a bit different. I thought the Tremendous was a bit lighter in coloring but it's not. Strange decision by Radical.

I think the intent is to offer a ball that was extremely popular (at least in my area it was) at a lower price point. There's a large amount of bowlers who want the best bang for the buck and this will fall into that category. Its not uncommon nowadays for people to wait for balls to go on closeout or prices to drop to buy new stuff, and this gives people an opportunity to get that high performance ball at the lower price while its still new to the market.
that makes zero sense...it's not "new" to the market, there's been 5 gurus already and its not even that much of a discount, guru were $154 so this saves you 14 bucks? maybe if it was like $124 i could see a true "at a discount" aspect

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Re: Quick Fix & Tremendous WWRD 7-11-17
« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2017, 12:30:22 PM »
If there is one thing I have learned in all my years ( nearly 30) in the industry and especially during the current social media phase is the Haters will always hate and apologist will always apologize, because they feel social media has given them the right.
We asked our customers, consumers, pro shop and distributors about products in the market, not just ours but the markets and one common thread was to take the Guru core and offer it at a reduced price, just like other companies do,  reason, those that had one wanted another and those that missed out would love to try one at a reduced price.
Looking at the competition, I see the same core coming out on the market under different names with and apparently that is ok. We did it with the Xeno and the Xeno pearl and had success so why all the hoopla about the Tremendous. Its not like we don't do new and innovative cores throughout the year.
The Quick Fix takes the most innovative core on the market and gets a new cover technology, we do have new covers developed throughout the year, its a new generation of the formulas we had so why not showcase it on a proven core.
I'm not sure why this thread went the way it did, but like a said in the beginning  Haters will always hate and apologist will always apologize.
Those that support Radical I thank you, those that don't,  oh well, maybe you should try it before you criticize what we do, we are customer friendly.

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Re: Quick Fix & Tremendous WWRD 7-11-17
« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2017, 04:25:12 PM »
Wow!

Hey Newguy!  I am glad that you actually take the time out of your schedule to reply to some of our silly posts.  To me, that shows that you have a listening ear out for your customers.  I personally want to thank you for the work that you and others are doing at Radical.  Keep up the good work!

I own the Guru, the Guru Mighty, and the Gusto.  And I will be a Radical fan for a long time.

Needless to say, but I personally would have liked to have seen something “newer” from Radical during this season’s releases.  I am sure that you and your team are confident that the two new releases will do well for your company.

However, I would love to see your company do something with Cash series of balls.  More specifically, have you considered a pearl or a hybrid in the line?  Although, the Guru is more than enough ball for me, I have heard great things about the Cash and would love to see Radical put out something else in that line.

Anyway, thanks for the time and consideration.

By the way, please don’t come out with a “Tremendous-ly Limited” or “Quick Fix-R-Upper”.  It might not look good.   LOL!  :)  

Peace!   
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Re: Quick Fix & Tremendous WWRD 7-11-17
« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2017, 07:20:26 PM »
that makes zero sense...it's not "new" to the market, there's been 5 gurus already and its not even that much of a discount, guru were $154 so this saves you 14 bucks? maybe if it was like $124 i could see a true "at a discount" aspect

Bowling ball companies have been doing this SUCCESSFULLY for a long long time. What are your comments on Storms re-release of the Marvel Pearl? Its literally the same ball. Wanna know something even crazier??? Its actually MORE expensive today than it was when it originally came out. I hope you are over on the Storm forum questioning their marketing tactics as well, cause you know, nobody is gonna buy a re-released Marvel Pearl for $170 right?? That's sarcasm if you didn't catch on.

And just for arguments sake, currently, comparable high end balls are going for anywhere from $165 to $180 online. So $140 price tag on a ball that STILL has a higher hook rating than most of them is a definitely good bang for your buck.

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Re: Quick Fix & Tremendous WWRD 7-11-17
« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2017, 08:01:42 PM »
My original Guru with double thumb layout has been my favorite of all time. It's always in the bag. My regret is that I never got a second one. I did have a Mighty and a Master, but they didn't match up as well for me. Now I can get another; thank you, Phil and Mo. It's a "tremendous" opportunity!

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Re: Quick Fix & Tremendous WWRD 7-11-17
« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2017, 09:51:49 AM »
 Wouldnt REDUNDANT have been a better name than TREMENDOUS?

 Or, maybe, if it's a GURU, just say so. Don't call it something else, because it isn't.

 Phil, I really liked your old Track stuff, and your Dynothane "SOAKER" coverstock is legendary, so you got some chops man. We get it, your good at this, REAL good.

 And maybe that's it. Maybe we've gotten used to you being really edgy, really innovative, and really fresh.

 Maybe we expect more than just relabeled rehashingly deceptive releases from you.

 You guys are supposed to be innovators. Innovators innovate.  Do that instead.

 WOW, wouldn't that be RADICAL? And AWESOME? And what you're known for?

 Cmon guys, don't get defensive, get busy.
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CoorZero

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Re: Quick Fix & Tremendous WWRD 7-11-17
« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2017, 10:00:31 AM »
For what it's worth I don't really care that the Tremendous is the Guru, just thought it was an interesting/strange decision by Radical to do so. It's not like there isn't enough "new" stuff hitting the market otherwise. Being so transparent about it is actually nice.

Have conditions and coverstock technologies really changed enough that a Guru now (the Tremendous) is considered a step below the strongest balls when it was one of the strongest balls on the market when it came out a bit under 3 short years ago?