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LuckyLefty

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Ridiculous Assym vs Xeno
on: August 09, 2017, 07:43:42 PM
Anyone able to compare them and note the differences?

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Luckylefty
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Ridiculous Assym vs Xeno
Reply #1 on: August 11, 2017, 10:23:51 PM
Free Radicals!

Please help me out...?

Subtle differences? Big differences between the Zeno solid and the Ridiculous Assym?

Thank you,

Luckylefty
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Re: Ridiculous Assym vs Xeno
Reply #2 on: August 11, 2017, 10:45:44 PM
Not sure if this helps any.But the Ridiculous Asym is a really smooth ball for me.I have been using it alot this summer as the conditions are much dryer here.Could just be the layout I used 90 x 2 1/4 x 50.Didn't need the p1 hole.It was smooth enough for me.I am rev dominant 15 mph 375 to 400 low tilt.Both are on clearance very cheap.Probably can't go wrong with either one.

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Re: Ridiculous Assym vs Xeno
Reply #3 on: August 11, 2017, 10:47:43 PM
I don't have first-hand experience with either but from what I've seen the two are fairly different. The Xeno is your typical early, smooth reaction that can handle oil yet isn't a snow tire so it's usable across more conditions. Lots of people liked it, just not one of those balls that has a wow factor.

The Ridiculous Assym balls that I've seen on the other hand are fairly strong off the spot despite having "solid" coverstocks. Definitely less so than the Ridiculous and Ridiculous Pearl, but still making a hard turn. Not exactly sure just how much oil it can handle but I'm guessing more of something you want for medium or a bit more than medium volumes. Same with lengths.

To be honest I think having both would in the same bag would be pretty easy to make a case for. There shouldn't be much overlap with either. Going with one or the other just depends on what you're looking for.

Brandon Riley

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Re: Ridiculous Assym vs Xeno
Reply #4 on: August 12, 2017, 12:13:04 PM
I own both and agree with CoorZero - Xeno for control while playing straighter angles on fresh lanes and Ridiculous Asym for when you want to swing the ball + create a little more shape down the lane.
I find both balls to fit under my tanks but be stronger than most of my midrange solids. 
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Re: Ridiculous Assym vs Xeno
Reply #5 on: August 12, 2017, 08:50:43 PM
My Ridiculous Asym is the benchmark ball in my bag currently and is one of my favorite orbs in the past few years. Mine is drilled 50 x 5" x 40. The ball gets down the lane well and has a pronounced move at the break point. It is usable for me over a wide range of conditions: Medium-Dry to Medium-Wet volumes, and medium-short to medium-long patterns. The surface is 500/4000 out of the box. I use a 2000-grit Abralon or Siaair pad (new to moderately used) prior to rolling on a 25 ml, 41' pattern, then roll a couple of times later in the week on a 19 ml, 38' pattern using the same surface with some lane shine with good results across this wide range of conditions. My PSO, a lefty, let me know how much he liked his Ridiculous Asym when I was looking into buying one. He was oh so right about this ball. The performance versus price for this ball is, well, Ridiculous, especially with the low sale prices currently available.
The Zeno uses the Reax 2 core. The Reax 2 came out of the box 500/compound while the Zeno is 500/1500 out of the box. I drilled my Zeno 65 x 4 7/8" x 65 with a P2 hole. It reads early and reacts in a controlled manner on the back end. The Zeno is more useful for me with a 500/compound surface as it gets down the lane better and reads the end of the pattern better as well. The controlled layout I put in the ball which already has a controlled backend reaction is, perhaps, a little too controlled for good carry. In hindsight, I should have used a similar layout as my Ridiculous Asym (as well as my Guru Limited), 50 x 5 x 40 and allowed the controlled core in Zeno along with a P3 hole to provide the difference in reaction. Yes, these two balls do work well in the bag without any overlap. The Zeno is a step down from the Cash and Guru/Guru Master so it doesn't belong at the top of one's bag but is a good control ball for challenge patterns and other patterns featuring dry back ends. The Cash and Guru/Guru Master are better suited for long patterns and/or wet back ends.
Brandon Riley and CoorZero have good takes on the Ridiculous Asym/Zeno combination. I like BowlingforSoup's input as well. I have a Cash that utilizes the 90 x 2 1/2" x 50 low flare layout and it, too, is smooth on the back end. The layout, in this case, dominates the core/coverstock's natural tendency to move smartly off of the end or side of the pattern.
I also have a Ridiculous Pearl that I don't like as well as the Asym. The Pearl reacts too hard off of the end or side of the pattern and tends to squirt when it sees conditioner down lane. It is not as forgiving nor confidence inspiring as the Ridiculous Asym for my game and conditions I encounter. Just goes to show how important the core to coverstock match is.
Hope this helps LuckyLefty!
Last Edit: August 12, 2017, 08:55:30 PM by jbungard

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Re: Ridiculous Assym vs Xeno
Reply #6 on: August 14, 2017, 06:54:43 PM
This post reminds me of why I  loved this site when  I first got here!

So much great helpful information!. Thank you!

I have seen the Assym and the Zeno and agree with the comments now that they are in writing for me!

I note the angle on the Assyms Ive seen and closing to the hole smoothly with good strong attack angle!

As to the Zeno I now picture the heavy roll and strong rumbling off the Spot of a low RG ball!

I am now excited as my wonderful Ebonite Signal(sleeper ball) is doing a real nice job on second
squads of a local wettish longer than league shot(say buffed to 43 feet?))

But when I come to league (double oiled in the heads I get too much early scoot and ring 7s!

I am hoping a similarly drilled Assym will give me the same look early!

Thanks and your thoughts?

Regards,

Luckylefty
Ps Thanks for the help... Bowling for Soup! CoorZero, Brandon Riley, JBungard!
Last Edit: August 14, 2017, 06:58:07 PM by LuckyLefty
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Re: Ridiculous Assym vs Xeno
Reply #7 on: August 18, 2017, 12:31:24 AM
Free Radicals,

More more of your. Excellent input!

Here is the Ebonite Signal(assym pearl)  big recovery ball.
http://www.bowlersjournal.com/ebonite-signal/

Think similar move from the Ridiculous Assym on wetter heads?

Regards,

Luckylefty
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James M. McCurley, New Orleans, Louisiana