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Bandit
on: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM
Ball NPS Score: 100.00
Coverstock: Inception Pearl Reactive 
Weight Block: Caliber Core (14-16 lbs), Modified Caliber Core (12-13 lbs) 
Ball Color: Charcoal/Yellow All colors do vary somewhat from the picture shown. 
Lane Condition: Medium Oil 
Ball Finish: 1500 Polished 
Flare Potential: 4-5 inches 
RG: 16#-2.54, 15#-2.57, 14#-2.60, 13#-2.59, 12#-2.65 
- RG Differential:
 16#-0.051, 15#-0.048, 14#-0.044, 13#-0.045, 12#-0.035 
- A few tiny pit holes in the cover stock of the ball are normal 
Description: The Roto Grip Bandit showcases a dependable weight block shape and powerful coverstock. The Caliber weight block shape of the Bandit maximizes pin action, accomplished through increased energy transfer of about 12% when compared to traditional cores, and works for both rev dominant and speed dominant players. The Inception coverstock has a surface topography that showed Ra values up nearly 10% from previous blends. The Bandit handles a variety of conditions ranging from a typical house shot to tough tournament action. the Bandit provides a "long and strong" reaction.

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Re: Bandit
Reply #1 on: June 29, 2011, 09:20:43 PM
LANE CONDITION






Length: 41ft

 

Volume: medium


Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc): THS


 



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The Roto Grip Bandit offers that impressive skid/flip reaction that many bowlers love to see. It also offers a predictable strong move so can be used on fresh shots as well as broken down shots. You might get some over/under with this type of aggressive move in transitions so look out for that. However, I think this motion will not disappoint those looking for that strong move at the breakpoint. It’s a nice addition for Roto Grip.


 

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Re: Bandit
Reply #2 on: July 06, 2011, 06:32:40 PM
 








 BANDIT #1 – 35 X 5 X 55 PIN ABOVE FINGERS- BOX CONDITION




INTENDED TO START UP EARLY AND NOT OVERHOOK ON ANY MID LENGTH PATTERNS THAT ARE 37-39 FT SPORT PATTERNS.




TESTED ON WINDING ROAD, MIDDLE ROAD, ABBEY ROAD, AND BROADWAY




JUST AS PLAN, IT MOVED OFF OF THE PATTERN REAL SMOOTH AND DID NOT OVERREACT EVEN THROUGH IT IS A PEARL BALL. NICE MOTION THRU THE OIL AND THRU THE BACKENDS. WILL RECOMMEND THIS BALL TO EVERYONE AS A BENCH MARK BALL TO START WITH ON THS AND SPORT CONDITIONS. BOTH ONES I DRILLED REACTED JUST LIKE I PLANNED. THIS ONE AND ONE WITH A SHARPER BACK END ARE A NICE MID PRICE 1-2 PUNCH FOR ANY LEVEL OF BOWLER.















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Re: Bandit
Reply #3 on: July 06, 2011, 06:33:43 PM

 


BANDIT #2 – 40 X 4 X 20 PIN STACKED ABOVE FINGERS – BOX CONDITION




INTENDED USE FOR THS THIS IS 41 FOOT LONG AND ON REAL SLICK NEW LANE PANELS. TO BE ABLE TO BANK IT OFF THE GUTTER WHERE THE ONLY DRY BOARDS ARE ON THESE CERTAIN HOUSE PATTERNS.




TESTED ON THS 41 FOOT ON BRUNSWICK PANELS AND NEWER HPL PANELS.




WOW.... THIS BALL HOOKS MAD OFF OF THE DRY, A TON OF MOTION AND ANGLE STANDING 12 AND LOOKING AT 3 AND ALLOWING THE BALL TO WORK THRU THE LIGHTER OUTSIDE OIL AND STILL MAKE A REMARKABLE RECOVERY. THIS BALL WILL ALSO WORKS ON MID LENGTH OIL PATTERNS IF YOU WANT TO SWING IT THRU THE HEAVY MIDDLE TO THE LIGHTER OUTSIDE OIL... THIS BALL IS AMAZING...


 



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Re: Bandit
Reply #4 on: July 10, 2011, 03:33:03 PM
LANE CONDITION






Length:

 

Volume:viper pattern


Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc):


 



Being a bowler with a higher rev rate i noticed the Outlaw was a little dull out of the box. So I shined it up and used a 70x5x 1 1/ VAL layout. It gave me the length that i needed to get down the lane and didnt act to violent off the break point. It really worked great for me as i couldnt believe how it expoded at the pocket and drove through the pins with alot of stored energy. over all I feel this is a very good bowling ball that with the right layout it can be versitle. Its a must have in your arsenalCOMMENTS





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Re: Bandit
Reply #5 on: July 18, 2011, 05:06:20 PM
 

  

Layout- Pin next to fingers, cg stacked with a medium size/depth hole out and just below the midline.


 


I was super excited to throw this ball (probably the ball I was looking forward to the most out of all the new Storm/Roto releases) and it absolutely did not disappoint. This ball is absolutely my ideal benchmark ball. It clears the fronts clean, it is super controllable through the midlane, it corners well enough to be able to use it in, but not so much that it precludes it from being used out and it continues as well as anything I’ve ever thrown. I threw it up against my Hy-Road and they were comparable in terms of strength, but what surprised me is that the Bandit was earlier, smoother, more controllable AND more continuous than my Hy-Road and these are all things the Hy-Road is known for. The reaction reminds me most of the Storm Eraser, which is my favorite ball of all time (hint hint powers that be, give me the Eraser again! Haha). It has a look that stands out on the lanes too. Countless people came up to me asking what that “Cool black and yellow” ball was. Overall this ball is about as close to a must have as any ball really can be in my opinion. It’s versatile enough to use on a multitude of conditions for a multitude of people and that’s rare in today’s hper-specialized game.




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Re: Bandit
Reply #6 on: July 25, 2011, 12:12:48 AM
 








Bandit Review by Andrew Jensen Storm and Roto Grip Staff 

 WOW!!! This is a great ball!
On Saturday I bowled a local TNBA tourney that is being held at Maplewood Lanes in Omaha Ne. I threw the Bandit the whole day. It gave me the best reaction. Mine picks up a good mid lane roll while having the best downlane reaction that I've seen since the Pearl Cell. I had about 2.30 top weight before I drilled. No hole needed. My PAP is 5 5/8 over up a half.
I started the day with team and wasn"t throwing the ball great. Still managed a 622. When singles and doubles started that"s when I started to shine, with the help of the new Bandit. With a 279 in singles, and shooting a 678 series, I knew that doubles was going to be big. I left 3 ten pins all together and 3 splits. Two of the ten pins would come in the first game. One in the first frame and one on the last ball for a 289. The next game would be all strikes except the 3 splits. Two bad shots and a good one in the tenth that left me with he 7-10 split, all for a 211. Oh well, shake it off right? I did just that,after looking at the next seven strikes thinking, I should be able to finish with a 300. The eighth frame was not kind, leaving me the final ten pin I would see. I struck the rest of the way for a 279. Giving me a 779 series. All events I shot 2079.
 I'm also bowling league and have the same average plus some.Glad the Bandit is my bag! Hope it's in yours.
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Re: Bandit
Reply #7 on: August 02, 2011, 04:14:18 PM
BALL SPECS


Pin Length: 3"


Starting Top Weight: 2.90 OZ


Ball Weight:15 LB 3 OZ


 


DRILL PATTERN


Pin to PAP:5"


CG to PAP: 5"


X Hole (if there is one):NONE

 





BOWLER STYLE


Rev Rate: TWEENER


Ball Speed: 14.7

 

PAP/Track: 5 1/4 X 1/8 UP


 




SURFACE PREP


Grit: 1500


Type: (Matte, Polish, Sanded): POLISHED

 




LANE CONDITION


Length: 41'

 

Volume:MEDIUM


Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc): THS


 



BALL REACTION


Length: VERY GOOD


Back End: VERY GOOD

 

Overall Hook:MEDIUM


Midlane Read:MEDIUM


Breakpoint Shape:SNAP/FLIP


 



COMMENTS



Likes: MY BENCHMARK BALL, MEDIUM HOOK, BUT GREAT SKID/FLIP, SAVES ENERGY AND FACES THE POCKET. GETS DOWN THE LANE LIKE A WEAK SHELL BUT BACKENDS WITH AUTHORITY. GREAT ON MEDIUM TO SLIGHTLY DRY SHOTS. PERFECT COMPLIMENT TO THE THE OUTLAW.



Dislikes: NOT GOOD ON LONGER OIL PATTERNS OR HEAVY OIL VOLUMES.



 


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Re: Bandit
Reply #8 on: August 12, 2011, 08:35:55 AM
BALL SPECS


Pin Length: 2.5-3
 
Starting Top Weight: 3.70


Ball Weight: 15


 

DRILL PATTERN



Pin to PAP: 4 1/2



CG to PAP: 40 degrees
 

VAL Angle:   40 Degrees


X Hole (if there is one): P3

 




BOWLER STYLE



Rev Rate: 350      



Ball Speed:  16

 

PAP/Track: 5 over   11/16 up


 




SURFACE PREP


Grit: Box 1500 Polish


Type: (Matte, Polish, Sanded):

 




LANE CONDITION


Length:  39'

 

Volume: Medium 


Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc): PBA Senior Chameleon


 



BALL REACTION


Length: Very Good   


Back End: Strong

 

Overall Hook: Medium

Midlane Read: Very Good


Breakpoint Shape: Arc


 




COMMENTS


Likes: Good length with strong hit and carry


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Re: Bandit
Reply #9 on: August 21, 2011, 08:18:17 PM

 


Sword line: Mid-price   


 


Cover: Inception Pearl Reactive


 


Core: Caliber (new weight block)


 


RG: 2.57


 


Diff: .048


 


Rev Rate: 420+ RH


 


Average: 220+


 


Ball Speed: 16-18 mph


 


PAP: 4” over


 


Weight Hole: none


 


Layout: 50 x 6 x 50 (pin up)


 


Intent: Use on all patterns (sport/THS) when the conditions start to open up, only exception I would say would be higher volume patterns


 


   I drilled my Bandit with one of my favorite layouts for symmetrical equipment. The pin is located above and slightly left of my middle finger, no changes were made to the OTB surface which is 1500 grit polished. As soon I threw my first ball I knew this was a keeper! The Bandit clears the heads and mid-lane extremely well with a strong backend motion maintaining superb hitting power as it continues through the pin deck. The Bandit is the perfect complement to the Nomad Dagger, one of my all-time favorite balls mind you. The Bandit is cleaner through the mid-lane and slightly less angular than the Nomad Dagger, perfect ball a notch under the Nomad Dagger!


 


Likes   The Bandit floats through the head with ease storing all of its energy to its breakpoint, and then it goes left like a BANDIT! Another ball that seems like it will be in my arsenal for some time to come. Yet another great ball at a mid-price with great performance from Roto Grip!


 


Dislikes: No dislikes for me ….. For people with lower rev rates I would possibly suggest a stronger layout and possible surface adjustment pending the individual’s likes/dislikes.


 


 


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Re: Bandit
Reply #10 on: August 30, 2011, 12:14:55 PM
LANE CONDITION






Length: 42 ft 

Volume: heavy oil, lane master oil


Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc): THS


 



COMMENTS




Likes: Still able to make the turn even in SUPER HEAVY OIL



 

LAYOUT INFORMATION:

 

55x5x35 woth pin above the bridge of fingers and CG kicked out a slight bit.
I decided to drill this because I thought that the 40x40x20 was a little to short in length and to sharp in the back end to use in the Tuesday night league at Hanover Bowling Centre. Needed something to go a tick longer but not as strong in the backend and not to be to angular into the pocket... I touched up the surface with a worn 4000ab pad to just knock a little off of the cover. Once again, Roto Grip has provided a Super ball for less money...

 

 

 


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Re: Bandit
Reply #11 on: September 06, 2011, 11:23:36 AM
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My Axis is 5 5/8 right, ¼ up, my speed is average and I would consider myself with higher revs but more up the back. So not a cranker but not really straight either.


 


Pin under ring finger, CG in poss thumb weight quadrant.


 


This ball is unbelievable! It goes through the front with ease and then is very angular. When it comes off the pattern it darts left and keeps going all the way through the pins.


 


I’ve used this ball on several patterns (high roller, TAT, PBA Regional and Kegal patterns) and it has given me more room for error than I ever thought it would. Even after about 100 games it still reacts like new.


 


This ball is definitely a keeper. Do not pass it up!




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Re: Bandit
Reply #12 on: September 07, 2011, 06:22:03 PM
Hello everyone and thanks for watching.  Here is the YouTube link to the video that goes along with this written review of RotoGrip's new Bandit : 
 
If you have been keeping up with some of my previous reviews or know me personally, you will remember how much I loved the Nomad series for RotoGrip's middle price point performance.  I thought it would be rather difficult to improve upon but I was certainly mistaken here.  The Bandit is overall a 10.  Hitting power length, breakpoint shape.  If you love the overall motion of the Cell and Cell Pearl then the new mid-price line is gonna be perfect for you.  The new core shape introduces a similarities to those while still maintaining an incredible ability to rev up in the midlane.  As you can see from the video the Bandit clears the heads clean, revs up and then a nice strong backend movement which doesn't leave much on the deck.  It has a little bit more hook stop action than the Nomad Dagger but this can easily be remedied through surface change.  
 
Comparing to the Dagger in the video you will see how the Dagger needs  a little more of the track area in order to gain some extra angle into the pocket where the Bandit stays on a tighter line towards the pocket and still retains entry angle. 
 
Overall this will be a great addition to anyone's arsenal and will best be utilized for a stroker or tweener looking to gain some extra entry angle into the pocket without having to go to a ball that will force your feet too far to the left.  Keep up the great work guys.  



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Re: Bandit
Reply #13 on: September 11, 2011, 08:08:12 PM
 


DRILL PATTERN


Pin to PAP: 5 1/4"


Dual Angle: 45 / 5.25 / 75


X Hole (if there is one): 1.5" down from PAP on VAL

 





BOWLER STYLE


Rev Rate: 450


Ball Speed: 17 mph

 

PAP: 5 3/8" right, 1/8" up


 




SURFACE PREP


Grit: Box Finish (1500 polished)


 



BALL REACTION


Length: 7


Back End:7

 

Overall Hook:7


Midlane Read:8


Breakpoint Shape:6


 



COMMENTS



I was extremely excited to see this ball released! I had been a huge fan of the Nomad Dagger and was looking for a ball with a little more length and the same amount of control.

   

This ball has blown me away and exceeded my expectations greatly which were set very high! The ball gets through the front of the lane very easily which is to be expected, but the read I get in the middle is amazing. It has a heavy roll to it, making it controllable and consistent like solid. But, gets far enough down the lane to handle pattern break down. When I had to bump in with my feet because of burnt heads the ball read the lane great and still produced enough angle to kick out the ten.

  

If anybody is looking for that perfect "Benchmark" ball, this is the clear winner in that category!!! This will be the first ball out of my bag weather it be in regular league or tournament play.

 

 


 

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Re: Bandit
Reply #14 on: September 18, 2011, 04:12:17 PM
 








 

Ball specs – 15 lbs 3 oz, 2.87 top weight, 2 7/8 inch pin.


 


The Bandit was drilled using the dual angle drilling method. The layout used was a  4 ½ inch pin to PAP distance with a 65-degree drill angle and a 25-degree VAL angle. No extra hole was needed. If you prefer Storm’s layout terminology it is 4 ½ by 5 1/8 with a 1 ¾ pin buffer. The cover was left in OOB condition which is 1500 polished.


 


The Bandit is very clean and lopes slightly through the fronts with about an additional three feet of length than the Outlaw. The response to friction on the backend is quicker and also stronger (more angular) than the Outlaw. The Bandit hooks less overall than the Outlaw but provides a lot of recovery down lane.


 


The Bandit is a great choice to use when the Outlaw is burning up and hitting flat.


 


 


John Brodersen

 


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